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stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be

beautifullywild77 said:
cornballs! that is what I want!
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I think I actually have some of those somewhere!:dancer:
Looks around anxiously... searching.... oh, thats right... I am the supreme cornballio. You have found me! Now, your airforce so you'll be needing a proper airforce cornball as army cornballs have been found to be incompatible at times.:crazy02:
 
Lyion said:
Cornticulated pythons!

Raincorn boas!

Hogcorn!


(I'm going to photoshop the cornticulated python)
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:cheers:That is the spirit! If you can dream it, they will come. Seriously, some times many of you guys/gals make me smile. That is what life is about for me. Sharing fun, life, love, ideas, and even a little bit of laughter well directed. But in all seriousness, if its not tried then one never knows. Interesting new phenotypes that don't exist in either species can and have arisen via hybridizing that don't exist in either of the parent species on their own. Hybridizing is both an art and a science to me. Did I mention, I love hybrids?:crazy02::crazy02:
 
starsevol said:
Answer me this...why was that whole culling thread worded as though your audience are idiots that have no clue what the defination of culling is? People do not like to be talked down to, and just as you see MY posts as denigrating, bullying, insulting, what-have-you, I see YOUR posts as though you view yourself a teacher to us all. It is like you feel you are talking to a roomful of morons. Do you really think we needed a definition for the word "cull"? Seriously??
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Carpe Serpenis seems to think that he has the "answers" for everything. This guy simply never gives up for squat, which is why this thread is nothing more than a pi$$**g match opportunity for him to grand-stand at center-stage.

Gosh, talk about RELENTLESS!.. Probably dreams of making hybrids even in his sleep! :shrugs:
 
:crazy02:I always considered my family to be serving alongside me, but yes, I gathered you were an air force wife. For me, family members supporting each other in the service is what gave me strength. My family, my wife, children, etc gave me strength and I know it taxed them as well. So, when I refer to a family member as having served, I realize that your not active yourself, but in many ways you are. You have to deal with things second hand, but you have a much better idea of what goes on than any other civilian off the block. You support your husband and your support his service in the air force. At least, that is how it is with most I know. I suspect you are not too different, but then I am just a cornball myself.:crazy02:
Did I mention, I love hybrids?:noevil:
 
DMong said:
Carpe Serpenis seems to think that he has the "answers" for everything. This guy simply never gives up for squat, which is why this thread is nothing more than a pi$$**g match opportunity for him to grand-stand at center-stage.

Gosh, talk about RELENTLESS!.. Probably dreams of making hybrids even in his sleep! :shrugs:
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:noevil:Quitters never win Dmong. Winners never quit. That is the first rule of thumb. But, to answer your question, yes... I dream of making hybrids in my sleep. Does that make me somehow inferior to those that don't? As for relentless, I have stood for four days and four nights without food, water, or sleep just to prove a point before. So, you could say I'm relentless as well. I take that as a complement. But, I am a bit of a cornball. :cheers:
Do you have anything to add that is not denigrating to the conversation that might spark something of interest for us both to talk about.... hybridizing, line breeding, anything along those lines or your thoughts on these lines?
 
DMong said:
Yes, I know......... just for this one thread. :laugh:
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Mocking me, well... if thats the strongest argument you can make for your case against hybridizing then.... But then, I don't really think it is. I think you have much more knowledge than that. I seen some of it expressed. So, for what its worth, I respect your knowledge, but not your delivery this time as it lacked the punch it usually has.:nope:
 
As for my claim that I have stood for 4 days and 4 nights without food and water just to prove something to myself. You don't have to believe that. But for what its worth, its not something new.... many people have done that. Its like saying, I ran a marathon just to prove I could do it. Its not really anything special, but it does show some perseverance. The fact that you mock that.... makes me wonder..... Perseverance is a good thing. Dreaming is a good thing. Going after your goals relentlessly... another good thing. Are there other good qualities you would like to denigrate that I have? I'm sorry, but I take those denigrations as compliments. Did I mention, I like hybrids?
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
Now, this is interesting as a religious person can do a circumcision on babies without the use of anesthetics and they can also involve their mouth over the organ.... which has increased the transmission of herpes to babies.... causing death.
Suddenly, what Vinman is doing... doesn't sound quite so bad.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-d...n-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618#.UDgRfBxtIkM
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Yeah, because it's written on the internet... so it has to be accurate, yes? It also means that this is how it is commonly practiced, hmmm?

It's one thing to form an opinion based on one, or even few, instances, from unreliable source- it's quite another to fight for that ill-formed opinion by being extremely disrespectful towards an entire faith.

I'm not surprised though... as I said before, some people think it's a waste of time to think before they speak.

Vinman, your practices are plainly stated here and I'm glad for it. I hope people will read and know what they are dealing with.
 
Nanci said:
Okay- whose pedigree shall we examine next??
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Oooh! Oooh! Mine!

My father was a Marine. My grandfather was in the Air Force and CIA. My great-grandfather was taken as a prisoner of war by the Americans because he was forced to be in the Nazi army. He was tortured every day until he managed to teach himself enough English to have conversations with the guards. They kept him prisoner until the war was over, and then he was released to his family (who was positive he had been killed). Do I win the internet now?


Vinman said:
Thanx for this one.

He gets his first BJ from a old rabbi sounds like pedophilia to me. I wonder if rabbi tosses his salad at his Bar Mitzvah :shrugs::shrugs::shrugs:
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Funny. I thought it was the Catholics that did that.
 
A little bit of neat info, well I think it's neat anyway. Around here where I live there are natural hybrids of corn and black rat snake. You don't see a whole lot of corns but black rats are everywhere, I've seen some black rats with really bright orangy skin between their scales too. Some say it's 'normal' but considering that in this area hybrids are pretty typical, who's to say what 'normal' is? Just my 2 cents. Thought it was neat.
 
Weda737 said:
A little bit of neat info, well I think it's neat anyway. Around here where I live there are natural hybrids of corn and black rat snake. You don't see a whole lot of corns but black rats are everywhere, I've seen some black rats with really bright orangy skin between their scales too. Some say it's 'normal' but considering that in this area hybrids are pretty typical, who's to say what 'normal' is? Just my 2 cents. Thought it was neat.
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I concur with your sentiments. The influx of genes across species barriers continues to erode away the purity of our man made designations of species making our designations seem meaningless at times and normal just as up for opinion as anything else. I'm of the opinion that evolution happens. Intergrades/hybrids happen. I'm also of the opinion that the moment a snake leaves its wild habitat and is bred to another snake.... natural selection has been tossed out in favor of man made selection. The whole process of breeding snakes whether it is line breeding, inbreeding, or outcrossing, or hybridizing... is unnatural when you factor in that we are tinkering with nature. We have become mother nature if you will. Milk cows as you see them today are vastly different than they were even 200 years ago. Dog breeds... the list goes on and on. Did I mention peacocks and peacock hybrids? :noevil: U got it, I love hybrids.
 
Natural hybrids like the black/corns are a little different from say, corn king crosses. I personally don't see a problem with hybrids, if a person is concerned with having pure stock they can find a reputable breeder, if they want pure so badly they shouldn't have a problem with putting a little effort into researching the background of a particular snake. Not saying I agree with people not labeling hybrid animals correctly. Just that we all have a choice, what we want is out there, just because it's not as easy as picking it up at a pet shop does not mean we should expect to be spoon fed the exact animal that we want. I would only have trouble with hybrids if it affects an animals health. I don't care what it is, it's still alive and it deserves to be treated fairly. I have never had to cull any of my hatchlings, granted I only bred four or so clutches, but I don't think I could even cull a kinked baby unless it affected its quality of life. Now I'm going off topic but you get what I'm saying.
 
4 days without water or? Don't you die after that due to severe dehydration or have long lasting health issues due to it? After all, your body takes in the water from your blood which could cause you to not be able to get blood to your organs. Not to mention, the lack of vitamins for that long will make your immune system very weak, and damages your organs up to the point of possible failure.

Eating and drinking after waiting 4 days will possibly put the body into shock and can even result to death.

So, is proving a point to yourself really worth with all these (and many more) health issues?
 
Yes, I get everything your saying. As for crosses that don't occur in nature due to a geographic barrier or a species being between the two acting as a bridge species to allow the influx of genes from one species to a third species, I won't get into that too much, but it does happen in nature. The bottom line is that there really is no such thing as pure. A species is defined by many as organisms that are capable of interbreeding and producing fertile young. So, exactly what we consider a species, subspecies, etc... changes or evolves over time. Hybrids are not natural selections nor are any line bred snakes, inbred snakes, or other bred snakes natural. I get that as well. I see hybridizing as an opportunity to create something unique or different from what you could find otherwise. If your not creating a new phenotype or working on a better temperament then your hybrid has no value. In short, a hybrid should be something new and exciting. These last few statements are obviously my opinions, but ones many hybridizers share. This is why we have so many beautiful creations today. Because hybridizers cared enough to share their beautiful creations with other hybridizers or even the public at large when the hybrid was unique enough to warrant it. Did I mention, I like hybrids?:noevil::crazy02:

Weda737 said:
Natural hybrids like the black/corns are a little different from say, corn king crosses. I personally don't see a problem with hybrids, if a person is concerned with having pure stock they can find a reputable breeder, if they want pure so badly they shouldn't have a problem with putting a little effort into researching the background of a particular snake. Not saying I agree with people not labeling hybrid animals correctly. Just that we all have a choice, what we want is out there, just because it's not as easy as picking it up at a pet shop does not mean we should expect to be spoon fed the exact animal that we want. I would only have trouble with hybrids if it affects an animals health. I don't care what it is, it's still alive and it deserves to be treated fairly. I have never had to cull any of my hatchlings, granted I only bred four or so clutches, but I don't think I could even cull a kinked baby unless it affected its quality of life. Now I'm going off topic but you get what I'm saying.
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Umm, seriously? I see lots of conjecture here and or worry, but I assure you that many people have done this for many years. Its not some new fad. As for eating and drinking after four days without food or water, you can do it with ease, but you tend to eat a lot less than you think you would. You also have waking dreams when you stay awake for more than 48 hours. But, other than that, its a piece of cake. Oh, and pain you feel in your feet from standing on them... yeah, that gets a little intense over the course of a few days.

Lyion said:
4 days without water or? Don't you die after that due to severe dehydration or have long lasting health issues due to it? After all, your body takes in the water from your blood which could cause you to not be able to get blood to your organs. Not to mention, the lack of vitamins for that long will make your immune system very weak, and damages your organs up to the point of possible failure.

Eating and drinking after waiting 4 days will possibly put the body into shock and can even result to death.

So, is proving a point to yourself really worth with all these (and many more) health issues?
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DMong said:
Carpe Serpenis seems to think that he has the "answers" for everything. This guy simply never gives up for squat, which is why this thread is nothing more than a pi$$**g match opportunity for him to grand-stand at center-stage.

Gosh, talk about RELENTLESS!.. Probably dreams of making hybrids even in his sleep! :shrugs:
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This one apparently thought I was joking about my warning. To the bench for 30 days, fella. :toiletgra
 
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