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wanting to start over
- Thread starter cole
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starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
You know what? I don't understand the reasoning behind this post at all. I know snakes are not like dogs and cats and don't get attached to their keepers, but come on!!! Dumping an animal in favor of something younger and cuter, for what???? I mean it's a snake, it takes what 10 minutes a day to care for properly, not even that!!!
If you want to get a younger snake, why not just get one and have 2? But to dump one pet in favor of another, sorry the idea sickens me.
Of course after this post there may not be many breeders willing to sell a baby to you, but I could be wrong.
Pets are not toys. Pets are not disposable.
Edited to add, I know that I have sold adult snakes and sub adults on occaison that don't fit into my breeding plans, but I screen people and am really careful where they go. I am starting to run out of space and the idea of having to part with some of mine saddens me alot. This thread just smacks of all those craigslist ads dumping the family pet because it grew up/ moving/ allergic/ spawned a baby.......ugh.
Snickers
New member
If it's the best ever why do you want to trade it in for some baby that you might not even like in the end? I'm not trying to be rude, I just don't want you to regret what you have done.
RoseRed
New member
It sounds like you are only interested in keeping young corns, reality check all young/baby corns grow up to be adults. It is wrong to just dump an adult just to get a baby. I would recommend what AliCat37 suggested, but I'm afraid you dump it once it reaches adulthood. Maybe you should take a step back and ask yourself why you really want corn snakes.
Because if the reason is you just want to raise cute, adorable, baby corn snakes - that's the wrong reason IMHO
Because if the reason is you just want to raise cute, adorable, baby corn snakes - that's the wrong reason IMHO
DragonsDenSerpents
Murphy's Guinea Pig
Have to agree with everything said here. And if I saw this post after an inquiry about purchasing a baby, I would decline the sale.
hypnoctopus
Olivia Barron
Why do you want to get rid of him? Is there something wrong with him? He's really pretty.
I would be wary of 'trading' anything unless you could meet the person face-to-face, but you could just sell him on faunaclassifieds and then separately purchase a new snake.
I would be wary of 'trading' anything unless you could meet the person face-to-face, but you could just sell him on faunaclassifieds and then separately purchase a new snake.
Palmetto Reptiles
Done here
Let's look at this from a slightly different angle. What if Cole got this adult charcoal as a hatchling and has raised it to be a beautiful, healthy 5 foot adult. Now let's consider the constraints that could possibly prevent Cole from owning more than one snake: Maybe still living with parents and restricted to just one pet snake? These are unknowns based on the original and only post made by the OP. Is it remotely possible that Cole would gladly accept the help of our community in finding a good home for his adult charcoal and some suggestions as to where to get a new corn? I have a lot more respect for Cole for making this post as opposed to taking his snake to a reptile expo and trading it sending it to a potentially disastrous future. Obviously there are members here who know the proper way to sell or trade adult snakes. There are also people who would prefer to acquire adults as pets. They are less fragile, established feeders, and are better suited for nature centers and places where snakes can be handled under close supervision by children and other visitors with hopes of preventing the senseless "only good snake is a dead snake" mentality from propagating farther. If it can be worked out (things like shipping or delivering must be considered) don't worry about being blacklisted, Cole. I will not sell you a hatchling. I will give you one for the price of shipping if we can find a good home for your adult. The glass, once again, is half full.
kathylove
Pragmatic & Logical
I had to think about this for a bit to decide how to respond with my own $.02 worth of opinion. I have to say that I can see both sides of this debate. So here goes another "book" of explanation - sorry for the length!
If we were discussing a cat or dog, I would totally agree with those who hate the idea of trading, or finding a new home, for a pet for no "real" reason of pressing need. I have seen so many craigslist ads for adult (or even senior) dogs and cats for free because of what I consider frivolous excuses, that I hate to even look through the ads. It sometimes brings tears to my eyes to think of their fate, and their feelings of loss.
BUT - as much as I love herps, I do feel differently about them than companion animals such as cats and dogs. I feel that cats and dogs (and birds, and maybe a few other pets) often form an emotional bond with their owners, and suffer emotional distress when forced to move to a new home, even if it is physically better than their old home. But I don't feel (based on years of observation) that herps generally form that kind of bond. It is my opinion that a herp (even those that seem more capable of emotion than snakes appear to show) will be happiest when their physical needs are met with proper housing, food, temps, and other environmental requirements. I think that they will not suffer emotionally such as a cat or dog would (as long as those physical needs are met) after a separation from a long term owner.
So logically, I feel no regret if I thin out retired breeder snakes, or those that no longer fit my breeding needs, as long as their new home seems to be at least as good as what I can provide. I view herps as beautiful creatures to enjoy, but I am not bonded to them in the same way as I am to my cats. I can't imagine ever giving up one of my cats. And I do believe my cats would miss me, but my snakes would not. So I have no problem with somebody else trading or selling a pet snake to a good home, for whatever reason they want to do so.
OTOH, I do realize that many people here may feel a bond to their pet snake that may be as strong as what I feel for my cats. I think that is great, and I respect their feelings. But I think that if those people who feel that way think about the debate logically, they would have to agree that the snake may not feel the same bond as they do, and that their snake is not likely to miss them if it goes to a good home.
So, although I would caution a beginner to think twice about thinning out a long term, healthy pet (you may not like the new baby as well as the old, established one, and it may have more problems, too), I don't feel there is a moral obligation to keep it for life in the same way I do for a cat or dog.
Just my own opinion based on my own experience, just as others will form theirs based on their own experience.
If we were discussing a cat or dog, I would totally agree with those who hate the idea of trading, or finding a new home, for a pet for no "real" reason of pressing need. I have seen so many craigslist ads for adult (or even senior) dogs and cats for free because of what I consider frivolous excuses, that I hate to even look through the ads. It sometimes brings tears to my eyes to think of their fate, and their feelings of loss.
BUT - as much as I love herps, I do feel differently about them than companion animals such as cats and dogs. I feel that cats and dogs (and birds, and maybe a few other pets) often form an emotional bond with their owners, and suffer emotional distress when forced to move to a new home, even if it is physically better than their old home. But I don't feel (based on years of observation) that herps generally form that kind of bond. It is my opinion that a herp (even those that seem more capable of emotion than snakes appear to show) will be happiest when their physical needs are met with proper housing, food, temps, and other environmental requirements. I think that they will not suffer emotionally such as a cat or dog would (as long as those physical needs are met) after a separation from a long term owner.
So logically, I feel no regret if I thin out retired breeder snakes, or those that no longer fit my breeding needs, as long as their new home seems to be at least as good as what I can provide. I view herps as beautiful creatures to enjoy, but I am not bonded to them in the same way as I am to my cats. I can't imagine ever giving up one of my cats. And I do believe my cats would miss me, but my snakes would not. So I have no problem with somebody else trading or selling a pet snake to a good home, for whatever reason they want to do so.
OTOH, I do realize that many people here may feel a bond to their pet snake that may be as strong as what I feel for my cats. I think that is great, and I respect their feelings. But I think that if those people who feel that way think about the debate logically, they would have to agree that the snake may not feel the same bond as they do, and that their snake is not likely to miss them if it goes to a good home.
So, although I would caution a beginner to think twice about thinning out a long term, healthy pet (you may not like the new baby as well as the old, established one, and it may have more problems, too), I don't feel there is a moral obligation to keep it for life in the same way I do for a cat or dog.
Just my own opinion based on my own experience, just as others will form theirs based on their own experience.
DragonsDenSerpents
Murphy's Guinea Pig
To me, there's a huge difference between a breeder selling a breeder snake they have no plans for and someone selling a pet because it isn't small and cute anymore. What happens when the new baby grows up? Going to get rid of him too? One thing that I fight against and try to educate new owners on is the disposable pet mentality that I see so often among casual herp owners. I for one would not want any of my animals to go to someone with that mentality who would just get rid of it once they got bored with it or it was no longer a baby and cute.
kathylove
Pragmatic & Logical
"...What happens when the new baby grows up?..."
That is definitely something to think about. It would be difficult to constantly have to find new, GOOD, homes every couple of years to keep starting over. But maybe this is a one time need. I don't know the actual situation - but something to consider, for sure.
I also don't believe in disposable pets. But to me, "disposable pet" is just dumping a pet at a shelter (or worse, releasing it into the environment), without thought of what will happen to it. To me, "responsible ownership" (of herps, not necessarily cats and dogs) is finding a home that you think will be at least as good as the one you provided.
Although there is certainly a difference to the human as to whether the snake was considered a pet or a breeder, it doesn't make any difference to the snake. Since I am concerned with the welfare of the snake, that difference doesn't matter to me. So I think the main difference is whether your definition of "disposable pet" and "responsible owner" is the same or different than mine.
That is definitely something to think about. It would be difficult to constantly have to find new, GOOD, homes every couple of years to keep starting over. But maybe this is a one time need. I don't know the actual situation - but something to consider, for sure.
I also don't believe in disposable pets. But to me, "disposable pet" is just dumping a pet at a shelter (or worse, releasing it into the environment), without thought of what will happen to it. To me, "responsible ownership" (of herps, not necessarily cats and dogs) is finding a home that you think will be at least as good as the one you provided.
Although there is certainly a difference to the human as to whether the snake was considered a pet or a breeder, it doesn't make any difference to the snake. Since I am concerned with the welfare of the snake, that difference doesn't matter to me. So I think the main difference is whether your definition of "disposable pet" and "responsible owner" is the same or different than mine.
bitsy
Owned by Corns since 1991
On balance, I'd rather a snake was with an owner who was interested in it. There's no suggestion that the OP has in any way neglected his current Corn, but with waning interest, mistakes are more likely.
As Kathy says, snakes aren't attached to us in the same way that some of us are attached to them. As long as its physical needs are met, then that constitutes a "good home".
We don't know the OP's motivation for wanting a younger Corn and we seem to have jumped to several conclusions - mainly that the OP is swapping out of boredom. It could be that they bought their first Corn as an adult and would like the experience of raising one from a hatchling. It's more responsible to pass on the older one, than try and squeeze a second snake into a home which maybe only has the space and resources for one. How many people have we seen here, bitten by the Corn bug, who just buy more and more until they can't cope? Or who try and economise in order to own more and end up compromising their Corns' wellbeing? Maybe the OP does have breeding plans and their first Corn doesn't fit with those? Plenty of us have been there. I feel that we're being pretty quick to judge.
I'd rather the OP came to a site which can give reasonable advice on ways to swap, than relying on Craigslist or trusting to luck. Sadly, I think they'll be very brave to post here again, which is the snake(s) loss.
As Kathy says, snakes aren't attached to us in the same way that some of us are attached to them. As long as its physical needs are met, then that constitutes a "good home".
We don't know the OP's motivation for wanting a younger Corn and we seem to have jumped to several conclusions - mainly that the OP is swapping out of boredom. It could be that they bought their first Corn as an adult and would like the experience of raising one from a hatchling. It's more responsible to pass on the older one, than try and squeeze a second snake into a home which maybe only has the space and resources for one. How many people have we seen here, bitten by the Corn bug, who just buy more and more until they can't cope? Or who try and economise in order to own more and end up compromising their Corns' wellbeing? Maybe the OP does have breeding plans and their first Corn doesn't fit with those? Plenty of us have been there. I feel that we're being pretty quick to judge.
I'd rather the OP came to a site which can give reasonable advice on ways to swap, than relying on Craigslist or trusting to luck. Sadly, I think they'll be very brave to post here again, which is the snake(s) loss.
ChannyB
CornFuZed
I really wish people would just have asked the reasoning for wanting to trade rather than jump all over Cole to begin with.
Obviously he isn't just DUMPING his current snake in order to get a new one. He wants to find it a home, is this not acceptable?
I have given up 2 snakes, one because I bought it as a she and turned out to be a he, which in turn did not fit into my plans, the other I could not get to eat, so I gave to a friend who seems to have luck in this area. Does it make me bad for having given those 2 up?
Obviously he isn't just DUMPING his current snake in order to get a new one. He wants to find it a home, is this not acceptable?
I have given up 2 snakes, one because I bought it as a she and turned out to be a he, which in turn did not fit into my plans, the other I could not get to eat, so I gave to a friend who seems to have luck in this area. Does it make me bad for having given those 2 up?
hikisquid
sews all the things
I'm sorry if my post was seen as an attack, I was just trying to get to the reason for wanting a new snake. As someone with room for only one snake, I can empathize with wanting a new pet but not having any place for it to go.
Personally, I bought an older snake so I wouldn't have to worry about a hatchling going fussy or being fragile, so I can see the other side and wanting a cute baby over an adult.
I feel the original post was worded poorly, and that there is quite a bit of context that I don't know. I hope Cole comes back and explains their reasoning, it would be interesting to know.
Personally, I bought an older snake so I wouldn't have to worry about a hatchling going fussy or being fragile, so I can see the other side and wanting a cute baby over an adult.
I feel the original post was worded poorly, and that there is quite a bit of context that I don't know. I hope Cole comes back and explains their reasoning, it would be interesting to know.