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diamondlil said:
Erm....I take you are also in favour of armed revolution and murdering elected Govt officials? And just how does advocating an armed coup seperate you from any other dictator/revolutionary/terrorist/freedom-fighter? (the terms are largely interchangeable depending on which side of the revolution your standing)
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Do you mean George Washington? Realize only 1/3rd of the residents that lived in the rebellious states actually supported the rebellion. Of course, I'm agreeing with his decision to fight despotism

...and yes. When politicians refuse to listen to the mandate from the masses and try to violate our rights, armed rebellion - as a last resort - is acceptable. Couldn't you tell that from my Battle of Athens reference?

Oh, and terrorists hurt innocents to try an enact a change in a government. I am talking about rebellion against the aggressors only - not harming an innocent citizen for something a government does. Putting terrorists in that list with revolutionaries (like John Adams) was extremely improper.

If you mean, "Am I advocating a rebellion today?" HECK NO! Not even close. I hope it doesn't come to that. If it DOES come to it because they DO cross to many lines, then I would be advocating it. IF and only IF. If the current administration doesn't plan to do that, then that statement shouldn't be of even a LITTLE concern to anyone in it! Are you saying rebellion isn't justified if the next administration treats us like Stalin treated his subjects? Are you saying mass murder should be allowed without rebellion? ....and I said IF. I didn't say it WOULD happen. However, I do believe it WILL come to that if any administration tries to disarm 80+ million Americans. I just see no other outcome. :(
 
Susan said:
I believe that what Obama wants to accomplish as President is to turn this country into a complete socialist/communist state and perhaps remain at it's head as dictator.
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I disagree. I believe his goal is to make America more socialist and to "bring us down" from a world power and move on to some type of "world position." I believe his long-term goal is to use America as a stepping stone to whatever world power position he foresees himself holding in the future. I bet THEN he doesn't claim to be christian or even American-born. I bet he changes his tune as soon as he leaves the office. Want to bet in ~8 years (assuming he gets re-elected) he stops claiming to have been born in the US? Want to bet? Anyone???
 
medusacoils said:
I can't answer for KJ, but I can give you my thought on this. I don't think he was referring to actually murdering elected officials, but merely warning them.

To put it in simple terms, he is warning them that they are a government built by the people, of the people, for the people and if they overstep their boundaries by trying to take away the rights and liberties, that this country was founded on, then there could be another uprising.

Get it now!

Wayne
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Thank you. That is a good summation that I was likely unable to make clearly because of my desire to see "freedom" win in America without open rebellion. It just seems that when I say "IF" in reference to a possible future, people read it as "RIGHT HERE AND NOW!" There is a difference between saying, I believe in armed rebellion IF it gets bad enough to warrant it (I believe this) and saying, "We should shoot every politician today!" (which I do NOT believe it).
 
Michael823 said:
I find the Anti Christ thing as offensive as any racially charged words.
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How and why? It's an opinion! If I thought my sink was the Anti-Christ, would you still find that statement/opinion to be racially charged?

It's as crazy to think that Obama is the Anti-Christ, as it was for people to think Hitler was the second coming.
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Are you calling Obama Christ?

He is our PRESIDENT, good god what is wrong with people!
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He may be the Sitting President of this fine country, but I don't have have to like it. AND, based on the 1st amendment of the Constitution, I can not like him and express it. I guess the only thing I couldn't say, was that he was on fire, if he wasn't. :poke:

By all other accounts he is an incredible man, a great father, and cares considerably about the welfare of others.
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I find this statement to be pure speculation! What has he accomplished, to be considered incredible? If you say that he became President, then can you please rephrase that statement and include George W. Bush's name in it!

I don't feel Bush was the greatest president, but would never put him in the context of the bible's definition of evil, or Anti-Christ.
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I don't think anyone can. He doesn't speak eloquently as is described in the bible.

There are some real whack jobs out there that scare me, and religious extremism is one of the leading categories of mentally disturbed people. How can the bible have described the Anti-Christ as Obama like, when there have been such leaders as Hitler which people interpreted as the second coming.
I am making no connection to Christianity or any other religion in general, as I know that most people use the bible as a guiding light, and incorporate the positive message into their daily lives.
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I don't subscribe to the whole Obama/Anti-Christ thing. But, if you read Revelations and the description of the Anti-Christ and the description of the state of the world, at his coming. It is eerily similar.

I feel like I just said that.

Michael! I like you! We have had many conversations in the past and I don't like the gang up on Ricky/Michael thing, but I think you need to understand that there is no racial connotation by calling Obama the Anti-Christ. It has NOTHING to do with race. Unless you think it does o_O?

Wayne
 
KJUN said:
I disagree. I believe his goal is to make America more socialist and to "bring us down" from a world power and move on to some type of "world position." I believe his long-term goal is to use America as a stepping stone to whatever world power position he foresees himself holding in the future. I bet THEN he doesn't claim to be christian or even American-born. I bet he changes his tune as soon as he leaves the office. Want to bet in ~8 years (assuming he gets re-elected) he stops claiming to have been born in the US? Want to bet? Anyone???
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My mother told be to never take sucker bets like that!

medusacoils said:
Are you calling Obama Christ?
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You wouldn't be the first one to do that...Oh sorry, they use the term "Messiah"...close enough...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

And I believe even his wife mentioned something to that effect, but my daughter needs the computer for homework.
 
danielle said:
Wayne I do agree with you and held judgement until Susan replied with her intent. Saying the fact that if Obama were lynched (which in it of itself is not racist), it would be a double entendre to the situation because he was black (which is racist) is
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I find lynching jokes funny, but I do not find them any funnier if the lynchee is black.
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As much as I hate "Me, too" posts, I can't resist saying, "I like this post."
 
Susan said:
My mother told be to never take sucker bets like that!
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LOL. Sorry I missed you in Daytona, BTW.

Needless to say, I'm staying out of the heated part because I never took the word lynch as a problem. I do better understand your use of satire now, though, and (sadly?) I see the humor in it in hindsight.....lol.
 
medusacoils said:
Michael! I like you! We have had many conversations in the past and I don't like the gang up on Ricky/Michael thing, but I think you need to understand that there is no racial connotation by calling Obama the Anti-Christ. It has NOTHING to do with race. Unless you think it does o_O?
Wayne
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Where did I say the anti-Christ statement was racist? I just said it was plain and simply offensive, which I stand by. I have not read the bible, nor do I need to for this situation. We live in a mostly Christian nation, so regardless of my religious beliefs, I am subjected to hearing a lot of talk on the subject. I understand the ideology of Christianity, and am not criticizing the bible. I also don't need great detail to understand the meaning of what "Anti-Christ" means.
I think it is overly paranoid to consider Obama some sort of evil power dictated by the forces of Satan, or what ever role the Anti-Christ should take.
To Mike171, I'm not saying Obama does the best job at helping everybody, and I understand his presidency has left some out of the loop. I am not agreeing with this aspect of him, and wholeheartedly respect your right to speak about the conditions which affect you. But when people talk about his assassination so loosely, and try to demonize him, I find it untrue and a bit ridiculous. He has a loving wife and two loving children, and we elected him, he wasn't ordained by Satan (or whatever some may think.. not you, I understand where you personally are coming from). So to insinuate he should be dealt with violently because of a few overly paranoid individuals (definitely not you, just saying), you are also robbing his daughters of a father, wife of a husband, and this country of a good man.
Nobody has to agree that he is doing the best job, or even a good job. But when the discussion turns into a debate of him being some hidden, evil, manipulative dictator, I just find no relevance. Obama seems like the type of person that some of you would befriend if he wasn't president, he seems honest, well intentioned, and he speaks very well in discussions.
 
Susan said:
No, moderators are NOT supposed to set an example. I am NOT your parent. Moderators are to monitor the site for violations of the rules. I have not violated any forum rules, only voiced my opinion as so many others of you have done.
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Moderators set a Precedent. If it is okay for them to say BS, then it is okay for others to say BS. Otherwise there would be double standards. And we wouldn't want any hipocracy now would we?




In other news, Ben and Jerrys introduces a "gay-friendly" ice cream.
 
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