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The_Thunderer said:
You know, Wayne. I agree with you. I DO think that Wes Welker is MUCH more valuable to the team than Randy Moss. I'm sure that Randy distracts enough defenders to be giving Wes some daylight, but I think, far an away, he's the better possession receiver.
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I love Welker! Some of the hits that man has taken, and he continues doing his job. He is an excellent slot receiver! Randy does leave him open a lot. It's a great trade off and the system works!

Wayne
 
The_Thunderer said:
You know, Wayne. I agree with you. I DO think that Wes Welker is MUCH more valuable to the team than Randy Moss. I'm sure that Randy distracts enough defenders to be giving Wes some daylight, but I think, far an away, he's the better possession receiver.
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I love Welker, but he is no Randy Moss. Moss is far and away a more valuable player, and he commands double coverage. Wes is a master of getting those in-routes and skirting around to gain yards after the catch, but he is slightly one dimensional. If they didn't have Moss he would be much easier to expose, especially because of his size, and I think between the two of them Randy Moss does have the better hands. Welker's zone is nothing compared to Randy Moss's, but as a tandem they make each others weaknesses minimized. Still, when the game is on the line I want Moss, and I don't think Welker has the athleticism to ever be more than a superb screen wideout (granted he does that better than anyone I've ever seen before)...
 
Ricky87 said:
I love Welker, but he is no Randy Moss. Moss is far and away a more valuable player, and he commands double coverage. Wes is a master of getting those in-routes and skirting around to gain yards after the catch, but he is slightly one dimensional. If they didn't have Moss he would be much easier to expose, especially because of his size, and I think between the two of them Randy Moss does have the better hands. Welker's zone is nothing compared to Randy Moss's, but as a tandem they make each others weaknesses minimized. Still, when the game is on the line I want Moss, and I don't think Welker has the athleticism to ever be more than a superb screen wideout (granted he does that better than anyone I've ever seen before)...
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I agree and disagree at the same time. Don't get me wrong, I love Moss. I was elated when he came to the Pats! He is the perfect guy for the down the field, playmaker and touchdowns. He draws the defense to him.

Welker on the other hand, is the all around player. He's great in the slot, can block, can run and takes a mean hit. He gets the yards that Randy is afraid of. He returns punts and is a threat, any where he lines up. I don't think Randy would have been as successful as he was in 07, if it wasn't for Welker. Vice Versa, too!

They are the complete compliment, like a symbiotic being.

Wayne
 
CaptBogart said:
Lol, this is the house rivalry here being from Cali.
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I get it now! I am sorry, I am a little slow! If I had to pick a team, it would be the Chargers. Only because I like LT. I'm not a big fan of Phillip Rivers.

Actually, when I think of it, I would pick the Raiders. That's because of Seymour. Who I was seriously pissed to see go! A side from Bruschi (who retired), he was one of my favorite defensive players.

With the loss of so many great defensive players, I am very nervous, on that side of the ball. The Pats need that kind of leadership.

BUT, in Bill we trust, right??

Wayne
 
Ricky87 said:
I love Welker, but he is no Randy Moss. Moss is far and away a more valuable player, and he commands double coverage. Wes is a master of getting those in-routes and skirting around to gain yards after the catch, but he is slightly one dimensional. If they didn't have Moss he would be much easier to expose, especially because of his size, and I think between the two of them Randy Moss does have the better hands. Welker's zone is nothing compared to Randy Moss's, but as a tandem they make each others weaknesses minimized. Still, when the game is on the line I want Moss, and I don't think Welker has the athleticism to ever be more than a superb screen wideout (granted he does that better than anyone I've ever seen before)...
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Let's just say, I disagree. Randy may have the bigger name, but look how many passes Welker catches vs. Randy (111 vs 69) yards/game (72.8/63). I know Randy has more TD's (11 for Randy / 3 for Welker) but I did say that Welker was the better POSSESSION receiver.

Just my opinion anyway.
 
The_Thunderer said:
Let's just say, I disagree. Randy may have the bigger name, but look how many passes Welker catches vs. Randy (111 vs 69) yards/game (72.8/63). I know Randy has more TD's (11 for Randy / 3 for Welker) but I did say that Welker was the better POSSESSION receiver.

Just my opinion anyway.
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I agree, for the most part!

Wayne
 
LOL... don't even get me started!!! I'm watching too!

BUT, I don't LIKE Oakland at all... so having them lose is what I want!!!! :) All due respect to those of the "Raider Nation"... all handful of them. :sidestep:
 
BAAAADDDDDDD CALLLL!!!!!!

What???? We just saw the Pats get the same type of call and now the Raiders don't???? GRRRRRRRR!!!! Consistency!!!!!!
 
Well, it certainly has been entertaining thus far! So far, it isn't the "smoking' that we've been told to watch for. LOL.

10-10 at the half! Nice!

Now I get to watch Gundam 00 during the half!
 
The_Thunderer said:
Let's just say, I disagree. Randy may have the bigger name, but look how many passes Welker catches vs. Randy (111 vs 69) yards/game (72.8/63). I know Randy has more TD's (11 for Randy / 3 for Welker) but I did say that Welker was the better POSSESSION receiver.

Just my opinion anyway.
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It's not opinion when you back it up with facts. Just my opinion anyway. ;) I'm not going to lie. I miss Randy in Purple and Gold.

D80
 
The_Thunderer said:
Now I get to watch Gundam 00 during the half!
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Have you seen pictures of my basement, you and my bf could hang out just fine. He's tried getting me into Gundam...I'm just not there.

ah, I just looked, and this is the only pic I got that had gundam stuff in it (some of the stuffed things on the couch). Since I'm not a huge fan of Gundam I must have avoided taking pics of that stuff :laugh: We've got this 'hideous' thing infesting our basement though http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/ban949843.html , and he's working on building another one too.

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medusacoils said:
Welker on the other hand, is the all around player. He's great in the slot, can block, can run and takes a mean hit. He gets the yards that Randy is afraid of. He returns punts and is a threat, any where he lines up. I don't think Randy would have been as successful as he was in 07, if it wasn't for Welker. Vice Versa, too!

They are the complete compliment, like a symbiotic being.
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I agree with this. As a combo they're just plain deadly. I'm still not sure what Welker is position-wise, because he's more than just a wide receiver. The trait I admire most is just how he's able to snag the ball in quickly, and when he whips around off a curl route, he is able to not only shake the first defender, but also stretch another yard or two with the second defender on his back.

He is versatile, no question about it, and much quicker than defenses tend to anticipate. I just like Moss slightly more, because at the end of the day he can destroy a defense. His mixture of size and speed is unique in itself, but he's also very smart. Welker can be contained with the right defender if he becomes the main focus, but Moss can't be once he's determined. He's just to big for corners, and too fast for safety's. He literally makes everyone's job easier, and if he has a QB like Brady to converse with he can get that separation and make the big plays on a consistent basis. Luckily though, they don't have to choose, and I'm sure both are looking at Pro Bowl seasons!.

medusacoils said:
I would pick the Raiders. That's because of Seymour. Who I was seriously pissed to see go! Aside from Bruschi (who retired), he was one of my favorite defensive players.

With the loss of so many great defensive players, I am very nervous, on that side of the ball. The Pats need that kind of leadership.

BUT, in Bill we trust, right??

Wayne
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I hear you on Seymour, but in a 4-3 defense Seymour becomes expendable, and at seasons end either Wilfork or Seymour had to go. Getting the Raiders #1 was too good to pass up, and once the rookie Ron Brace steps up they'll be better. It was definitely a move for the future, but at this stage it was the smart move, and that pick will probably be a top 5 at that. When the 2011 draft occurs, Pat fans will rejoice and just knowing it was the Patriots who made the move explains it all. They're the kings of wheeling and dealing, and once these rookies see more playing time their defense will look all the better. Also, they were without Jerod Mayo so once he's back everything will change!.
 
Ricky87 said:
He is versatile, no question about it, and much quicker than defenses tend to anticipate. I just like Moss slightly more, because at the end of the day he can destroy a defense. His mixture of size and speed is unique in itself, but he's also very smart. Welker can be contained with the right defender if he becomes the main focus, but Moss can't be once he's determined. He's just to big for corners, and too fast for safety's. He literally makes everyone's job easier, and if he has a QB like Brady to converse with he can get that separation and make the big plays on a consistent basis. Luckily though, they don't have to choose, and I'm sure both are looking at Pro Bowl seasons!.

I hear you on Seymour, but in a 4-3 defense Seymour becomes expendable, and at seasons end either Wilfork or Seymour had to go. Getting the Raiders #1 was too good to pass up, and once the rookie Ron Brace steps up they'll be better. It was definitely a move for the future, but at this stage it was the smart move, and that pick will probably be a top 5 at that. When the 2011 draft occurs, Pat fans will rejoice and just knowing it was the Patriots who made the move explains it all. They're the kings of wheeling and dealing, and once these rookies see more playing time their defense will look all the better. Also, they were without Jerod Mayo so once he's back everything will change!.
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When a person like Seymour and Bruschi is missed, is just like tonight. Bruschi is missed on both on the pass rush and run stuffing ability. Seymour on the run stuff stuff and pressuring the quarterback. Something that the Pats defense was missing tonight. Except for the couple times they got to the quarterback, that penalties were called, (bogus ones), not much on the way of pass rushing.

Welker, is the undefined player. He is official title should be defender/half back/slot receiver/receiver/tight end/punt returner and all around, kick arse machine! I openly admit, to a man crush! :sidestep:

Ya know, I am so happy to see Brady back. With the offensive weapons he possesses in both the running back and receiver position, when he gets in rhythm and they begin to click, the rest of the NFL is in trouble!

Biased JMO Of course,

Wayne
 
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