can anyone verify

[Vinman]

jaxom1957, sorry again I would have to question the adult more than the hatchling. How do you know for sure that it is not a amber motley I know what tells me it is not. but to be honest How do you know for sure it aint a amber motley .

 

[jaxom1957]

cCan you see my point, i dont understand how mine does fit with other ambers(in my opinion) but mine has to be verified when others do not

Others did not ask us to verify the morph of their amber or caramel snake: you did. The totality of the responses is that, until bred, no one can, with total certainty, state whether the snake is caramel or hypo caramel. Some users are adamant in their choice, others less so. You can accept whatever you choose.

 

[jaxom1957]

jaxom1957, sorry again I would have to question the adult more than the hatchling. How do you know for sure that it is not a amber motley I know what tells me it is not. but to be honest How do you know for sure it aint a amber motley .

I take the owner's description at face value, just as I do yours.

 

[captaincaveman]

i think i need to read some more on morphs lol, cause im totally confused now

correct me where im wrong here guys,

amber is a hypo caramel
stripe/motley has some hypo effect on the colouring, reducing melanin

serpencos, stripe/motley caramel hatchlings

serpencos stripe/motley adult caramel

serpenco caramel stripe

and mine, i dont understand how mine is obviously has less melanin(to general colour and non round saddles) but isn't more hypo?

 

[Vinman]

No No No I proved mine out many years ago . Not that I was not sure, it is All that I had to breed it to was it's mom and a amber het nothing.

To tell you the truth that adult looks just like a ghost motley AKA pastel motley. How do you know it is even a caramel what were the parents. Do you know what they might be het and possible het for???? If you are going to use it as a refrance point then you have to prove the animal to be what it is . I can do that and did it. I know what I got. I got my amber off of Rich Z and the 5 way cross as a pair of juvies off him that produced the amber motley . I produced both caramel motleys and amber motleys

 

[jaxom1957]

so your saying if the colours come out now and its really bright, its still a caramel? oh ok then, its an obvious caramel thats hypomelanistic compared to the serpenco stripe/motleys but not amber?

Whether it's a hypo caramel or a non-hypo caramel, it's still caramel. As to what color after shedding might prove, what I'm saying is "No one knows for sure." There is only one way to provide a definitive answer: breed the snake to a hypo and produce - or don't - hypo offspring. Everything else is guesses, some educated, some not. Being lighter than some other caramel or amber doesn't prove this snake is amber. There are too many other reasons why a snake may be lighter than another, from motley to dilute, to diffused, and to the ever-expanding variety of hypo, to make any blanket statement about it's genotype.

 

[captaincaveman]

Others did not ask us to verify the morph of their amber or caramel snake: you did. The totality of the responses is that, until bred, no one can, with total certainty, state whether the snake is caramel or hypo caramel. Some users are adamant in their choice, others less so. You can accept whatever you choose.

its not that, it just goes against what else ive read and i still cant understand the reasoning behind missing off the crucial piece of the quote and clearly choosing the lightest picture of a darker snake

All im trying to do is get an honest answer, without the doubts of it isn't possible in the uk kinda answer

Im still trying to learn all this side and hypo's always confuse me cause the amount of melanin in a snake is such a subjective thing, i was honestly hoping someone was going to post a definite caramel motley so i would know, but searching the net all the caramal motleys, stripes and stripe motleys have been all darker at this size

 

[Vinman]

its not that, it just goes against what else ive read and i still cant understand the reasoning behind missing off the crucial piece of the quote and clearly choosing the lightest picture of a darker snake

All im trying to do is get an honest answer, without the doubts of it isn't possible in the uk kinda answer

Im still trying to learn all this side and hypo's always confuse me cause the amount of melanin in a snake is such a subjective thing, i was honestly hoping someone was going to post a definite caramel motley so i would know, but searching the net all the caramal motleys, stripes and stripe motleys have been all darker at this size

they did post a baby caramel motley it is dark.

not only age but size has a lot to do with the color of the animal

 

[Vinman]

I'm reposting this in case you missed it


No No No I proved mine out many years ago . Not that I was not sure, it is All that I had to breed it to was it's mom and a amber het nothing.

To tell you the truth that adult looks just like a ghost motley AKA pastel motley. How do you know it is even a caramel what were the parents. Do you know what they might be het and possible het for???? If you are going to use it as a refrance point then you have to prove the animal to be what it is . I can do that and did it. I know what I got. I got my amber off of Rich Z and the 5 way cross as a pair of juvies off him that produced the amber motley . I produced both caramel motleys and amber motleys

 

[captaincaveman]

maybe its just me, im one of those people who need to know what it is lol, i'll keep my head down and stay away from hypos lol :sidestep:

 

[TandJ]

What ever it is, it is pretty looking thing.. After all, its just snakes.. ( I wish I could remember who first posted that line that I think of from time to time.. )...

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[Tula_Montage]

I agree Tim. It's almost like being back in the playground.

Its a very competative market indeed... sometimes I think people take this all too seriously. (of course you have to when you base your whole life/business/well-being/family interests etc around snakes)

In regards to the snake in question, IMO it is a slightly browny, yellow snake. With a motley pattern. Yeah... its pretty. Congratulations

 

[captaincaveman]

Ok cheers guys, i didn't realise it was going to be such an issue lol, ive got my gut feeling on it, i'll go with that till something changes lol

 

[cornmorphs]

I agree Tim. It's almost like being back in the playground.

Its a very competative market indeed... sometimes I think people take this all too seriously. (of course you have to when you base your whole life/business/well-being/family interests etc around snakes)

In regards to the snake in question, IMO it is a slightly browny, yellow snake. With a motley pattern. Yeah... its pretty. Congratulations

lol, like being in the playground? then you finish with that last comment?

 

[diamondlil]

Nigel, I hope you get plenty of pictures of the mystery snake this weekend. Of course if it causes too many headaches you chaps canalways send it to me!

 

[E.Crassus]

lol, like being in the playground? then you finish with that last comment?

haha would give you the green for that dude but it wont let me

 

[Roy Munson]

I didn't read every post in this thread. If that were my snake, I think I'd suspect it being an amber mot, and then I'd prove it asap. Here's my '05 Serpenco caramel mot (het amel) when she was 4 months old, or so.

 

[captaincaveman]

I didn't read every post in this thread. If that were my snake, I think I'd suspect it being an amber mot, and then I'd prove it asap. Here's my '05 Serpenco caramel mot (het amel) when she was 4 months old, or so.

yeah cheers roy, its way way lighter than that and with zero black

 

[cornsnake00]

can anyone verify this motley for me, the first pic is close to its colour and its really tiny(the pic makes it look grown on, but not much more than a hatchling)

If the person who sold the snake to you can't tell you what the snake is, neither can anyone else! We can only guess!
Yes I would breed it to a caramel or amber. Then you should have your answer. (no matter what:it is a keeper)

 

[Roy Munson]

Yes I would breed it to a caramel or amber. Then you should have your answer. (no matter what:it is a keeper)

Breeding it to a caramel will not prove that it's not an amber. It's the hypoA gene that's in question, not the caramel gene.