can anyone verify

[Joejr14]

yeah cheers roy, its way way lighter than that and with zero black

What I don't understand is this...

You bought the snake as a caramel motley. So, while you might have suspicions that it's actually an amber motley, the fact remains that you only know for sure that it's homozygous for caramel and motley.

So, that being said---why are you so insistent upon the fact that it is in amber motley? We could continue this conversation for 2 years until the snake is big enough to breed and it would be the exact same convo. You trying to convince everyone that the snake is an amber by continually pointing out how light the snake is and how it has zero black. You've heard plenty of opinions, and since the original owner/breeder can't tell you---you have to assume caramel motley.

Every morph has natural variations. Kathy Love's caramels have more of a miami look to them---a rather silver background. Many caramels are so light they appear to be ambers. Many ambers are darker than expected and look like light caramels. Many motleys are so light and have NO black you'd swear they were hypo motleys. It makes no sense to sit here and read 60 posts of arguing about what a snake could be.

Heck, my lavender motley male from Rich Z MIGHT be a hypo, but I'm not going to worry about it until it's proven out with a hypo het lavender female. If it's hypo, great--if not, that's not a surprise because I bought it as a lavender motley.

Point is, they're just snakes. Great reason to have a discussion, no reason to get into an argument over something nobody can answer until it's proven.

 

[captaincaveman]

What I don't understand is this...

You bought the snake as a caramel motley. So, while you might have suspicions that it's actually an amber motley, the fact remains that you only know for sure that it's homozygous for caramel and motley.

So, that being said---why are you so insistent upon the fact that it is in amber motley? We could continue this conversation for 2 years until the snake is big enough to breed and it would be the exact same convo. You trying to convince everyone that the snake is an amber by continually pointing out how light the snake is and how it has zero black. You've heard plenty of opinions, and since the original owner/breeder can't tell you---you have to assume caramel motley.

Every morph has natural variations. Kathy Love's caramels have more of a miami look to them---a rather silver background. Many caramels are so light they appear to be ambers. Many ambers are darker than expected and look like light caramels. Many motleys are so light and have NO black you'd swear they were hypo motleys. It makes no sense to sit here and read 60 posts of arguing about what a snake could be.

Heck, my lavender motley male from Rich Z MIGHT be a hypo, but I'm not going to worry about it until it's proven out with a hypo het lavender female. If it's hypo, great--if not, that's not a surprise because I bought it as a lavender motley.

Point is, they're just snakes. Great reason to have a discussion, no reason to get into an argument over something nobody can answer until it's proven.

I actually brought this snake as an amber(it was sent as an amber, no caramels were ordered, but ambers and amber motleys were) and i noticed it in the batch of ordinary ambers when the supplier didn't send any motleys(or none were marked on the paper work), i firstly noticed out of the corner of my eye that it was lighter than the other ambers, then noticed the top half of the motley pattern(as the rest was hidden), I then got it out, doubted myself for a second before turning it over and seeing the plain belly

I'm personally happy its an amber motley, based on every other pic ive seen of hatchling amber and caramel motleys, motley/stripes and stripes. Mine matches them all for amber in terms of hatchling colours and ive not seen a young hatchling that light with the caramels, plus ive not seen any hatchling caramels without some amount of black to them(but i have adults)

heres serpencos amber and caramel mot/stripes side by side that someone sent me today, side by side with my pics its an identical colour

Believe it or not, im not an argumentative person lol I just assumed someone would help me verify by saying, it should have.... or be missing...... or whatever and be a cut and dry situation

Ive got a pic of an ultramel that also needs commenting on, but am now a bit concerned about posting it lol

 

[Jimmy Johnson]

hmm

well the shop ordered in some amber motleys from the supply list, they sent through ambers and this one, which was also labelled up amber and i saw the pattern out of the corner of my eye, flipped it over and hello plain belly lol

It was purchased as an amber...see above

so when you combine the fact that is was purchased as an amber and looks like an amber, and it is obviously motley, why the hell is it so hard to believe it is an amber motley.

Do any of you know the person who owns the shop where he bought the snake.
Why do you people sit here and automatically assume he is dishonest?


sorry captcaveman...I must have been typing my reply as you posted yours.

 

[Vinman]

Joe re-read the thread it was imported as a amber motley , on the cage it said amber. Like I said none of you guys have seen enuff of this morph to give any valid oppion. If any one can say anything it is me . I say amber motley I have hatched both morphs . Even if you compare a bright caramel to a amber You will notice that the yellow color is diffrent. The animal is a amber motley . It is not so hard to belive. You just have to see enuff of them to know what you are looking at. Your animal is a atypical amber motley ,It was super light and has a good yellow color. Your snake is in no way a refrance animal, it is the pic of the litter . I have hatched amber motleys to 3 diffrent females all had babies a little diffrent from eachother and some looked alike. This snake that you yourself took a pic of in pic#2. At the size he was when you took the pic he was much bigger than the animal in question. When he was only 14" he looked one in the same in color. look how dark this 2 week old is in pic #1. How much do you realy know about this morph to say anything. It is a new morph. I have worked them longer than anybody. I'm telling no way possible it is a caramel motley.

 

[captaincaveman]

It was purchased as an amber...see above

so when you combine the fact that is was purchased as an amber and looks like an amber, and it is obviously motley, why the hell is it so hard to believe it is an amber motley.

Do any of you know the person who owns the shop where he bought the snake.
Why do you people sit here and automatically assume he is dishonest?


sorry captcaveman...I must have been typing my reply as you posted yours.

the shops definetely not dis-honest. the manager actually asked me what i wanted ordered from the states and when i pointed it out, he didn't charge the going rate, infact he just charged me for the price of a normal amber, this guys not just a shop manager, hes a mate too

 

[captaincaveman]

Just slightly off the amber thread, i believe the supplier from the us is the same person for all the different morphs. But im not totally sure if the supplier gets stock in from different breeders or all from one

Is there any other serpenco style suppliers in the us, who cover 40+ different morphs or would that be narrowed down by me listing the morphs avaliable, not that it really matters but it would be interesting to know

 

[cornmorphs]

to be fair mate i could name 10 people in the uk that breed 40 morphs, so there must be dozens if not 100s in the US

 

[captaincaveman]

to be fair mate i could name 10 people in the uk that breed 40 morphs, so there must be dozens if not 100s in the US

yeah, thats just me clutching at straws lol

 

[Meeghann]

When this post was first started i posted a picture of my caramel motley but when i checked on this thread today i saw captcav asking for caramel motley pics. So here again is my 06 caramel motley compared to the snake in question. :laugh: