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fight'n friday. would you tell your kid to go to school and fight??
- Thread starter l0ck_0ff
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wade
Save The Humans
I don’t know guys, I have been staying out of this really good, but… I taught my kid to not fight if at a possible. Never go looking for a fight. But there are times when you have to stand your ground. If you have to fight, win. That is the only rule. Fair is for the boxing ring, not a street fight.
yellowbellyhippy
PaganVeganHippie!
Ya I understand defense, but I don't agree with being the first person to become violent. I guess I should have clarified that. As for the marine thing....my husband has been in counseling for years and on various meds to control anxiety, rage disorder, and depression. Yes, Im against all war, any war , yet I do respect the people who choose to serve in some sort of way. You may want to think twice about joining. It can be very hard to maintain back in the real world. Just my two cents. Not telling you what to do, Im just a blabber mouth.
ghosthousecorns
Well-known member
I don't condone l0ckoffs actions but neither do I condemn them. If we are hearing the whole story this kid keyed his car twice, bragged about it to taunt him, and he tried to get it resolved through other non violent means but the authority figures he went to for help turned a deaf ear. Could he have dealt with it another way? Yes, but I can understand why he chose to fight.
Heck the motto of this country used to be "Don't tread on me" - you can only take so much when someone is trying to walk all over you...then again I guess I'm old enough to remember the days when a shiner in the school yard was just part of growing up.
Heck the motto of this country used to be "Don't tread on me" - you can only take so much when someone is trying to walk all over you...then again I guess I'm old enough to remember the days when a shiner in the school yard was just part of growing up.
Dinah
New member
Which is not necessarily a bad thing....
I was kind of hoping that all the responses would get him thinking, and perhaps the seeds of change of change could be planted without the unpleasantness in the future.
I had to learn most of my life lessons the hard way so I can't really condemn anyone for going that route but lock off trust me you don't want to have to learn everything the hard way. You don't have to listen to any of us but please at least think over some of the stuff that has been said maybe you will change your mind about some of your tactics and choose differently the next time. No matter how old you are it is the same for everyone, actions once done become your experiences, and then your experiences help you make similar or different decisions/actions in the future.
Ricky87
New member
lol..No honor among thieves I guess...Personally I say you challenge him to a game of chess..Then you jam the rook in his eye when he's not looking
!...Seriously though, there is nothing cool about fighting...Having to walk around with a plastic mask is a token of embarrassment, and each time he goes to blow his nose he'll think about you; He'll think about how he wishes it was you, and he'll think about how he can make it you..Trust me Lock-Off, you haven't seen the end of this and it will come back to you in a major way regardless of who's wrong or right!.
TandJ
Ole' Stoic Viper...
YBH blathered..
Because the two lives are completely different.. One is stuctured and one a free for all.. Life is not the same being in the military and being on the civilian side.. The term real world is a dillusional and quite frankly, a pretty narcisistic view of what we think the world should personally look like.. But of course there has been a hugh group of people for the last almost 50 yrs wanting us to be so much more free and have a pretty well anything goes society...
I'm an quite sure, that there is other things missing from the OP's side of the story..
Because the two lives are completely different.. One is stuctured and one a free for all.. Life is not the same being in the military and being on the civilian side.. The term real world is a dillusional and quite frankly, a pretty narcisistic view of what we think the world should personally look like.. But of course there has been a hugh group of people for the last almost 50 yrs wanting us to be so much more free and have a pretty well anything goes society...
I'm an quite sure, that there is other things missing from the OP's side of the story..
yellowbellyhippy
PaganVeganHippie!
I disagree, my life is certainly far from a "free for all" I also think the world she be perceived however one wants it to be and that is far from narcisisim (sp)
Maybe that's why my husband married a peace monger hippie. Because he hated the marine corp.
haha
RyanR
Canadian Boa Fanatic.
What the hell happened to the days where, fights were fights..
Thank god Canada isn't ran by a bunch of hippies,
Wanna know what happen when two men get in a FAIR fight, NOTHING.
If both parties accept, and its fair.. the cops never get involved...
I've been in dozens of fights, and still have a shiny spotless record...
gotta love the US of A :nope:
Thank god Canada isn't ran by a bunch of hippies,
Wanna know what happen when two men get in a FAIR fight, NOTHING.
If both parties accept, and its fair.. the cops never get involved...
I've been in dozens of fights, and still have a shiny spotless record...
gotta love the US of A :nope:
alan
Guest
Not really it. I've never been a "turn the other cheek" guy, and when a physical confrontation like the OP's happens it is brought on by both people. Whatever you bring to a fight is fair game for either person involved, including, maybe especially, clothing. Don't start anything with another person that you're not prepared for.
I hope it doesn't sound like I support violence, that's not the first choice, but some people need to be dealt with in a different way. I'm with with Ryan on that one.
Yeah, I know.
snakewispera snr
The Devils Advocate
I haven't bothered reading much more than the first page as you wanted input....
Yes I have told my son and daughter to fight.....
It's either stand your ground or get pushed around where we live....
People will try it on to see how far you can be pushed.... I taught my kids how to punch and connect and make every shot count, and people don't push you after that....
The thing is the cops don't tend to get involved in fights unless someone is hurt badly enough to need hospital and then a third party witness is needed....
So it's not quite the same as what happened to you.....
Next thing you need to do is get sonny boy on his own and have a little chat in his shell like......
Grabbing his hood over his head was a good move BTW.... LOL
Yes I have told my son and daughter to fight.....
It's either stand your ground or get pushed around where we live....
People will try it on to see how far you can be pushed.... I taught my kids how to punch and connect and make every shot count, and people don't push you after that....
The thing is the cops don't tend to get involved in fights unless someone is hurt badly enough to need hospital and then a third party witness is needed....
So it's not quite the same as what happened to you.....
Next thing you need to do is get sonny boy on his own and have a little chat in his shell like......
Grabbing his hood over his head was a good move BTW.... LOL
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
You haven't a leg to stand on in a suit regarding the fight. You started it, in public, and you caused physical damage without reasonable cause or self defense. And it would be easy enough to subpeona these records for your admission of guilt. His lawyer will especially enjoy the part where you attack him by first pulling his shirt over his head. That's blatant assault, and you are liable for any damagaes, whether he presses charges or not...
Until they know the whole story. Guaranteed, once they realize you not only instigated the fight, but blinded the individual prior to assaulting him, you can kiss your recruitment AND your lawyer goodbye. The military doesn't play those games. Especially with punk recruits. Trust me.
Baloney. His parents can sue you to recover any monies lost or paid for medical services, and chances are qwuite good that if their insurance company paid, the COMPANY will sue you to recover losses. Good luck with that.
So. That means you don't go to jail for misdemeanor assault. And if the DA gets wind of the fact that you blinded him before assaulting him, you may find yourself in the midst of a felony assault, with intent to commit harm. He has no choice whether or not you are charged with a felony...
It will heal fine? Chances are good that he will suffer some sort of permanent damage from a fractured eye socket, es[pecially if there is nothing inside to assist in healing and strengthing. Of course...you could be lying, and he DIDN'T fracture his eye socket, merely a damaged nerve or soft tissue injury. In which case, he would heal just fine and need to wear a plastic guard
Doesn't matter how well you pay your lawyer, assault is assault. And the fact that you openly admit to blinding him, and repeatedly beating him with hands, fists, and walls shows severe intent to commit bodily injury. All the money in the world can't save people from their own stupidity. Frankly...Johnny Cochran couldn't get you out of this one...
Of course, this is all based on the assumption that what you are telling us is true. If it really happened the way you claim it did, there isn't anything you can do except hope and pray that this kid's parents are too stupid to sue and the DA is too stupid to charge you with a felony.
This is a possibility, too...
I have seen plenty of late-teens kids come on here and brag about beating somenoe up, and exaggerating the story beyond any recognizable truth. If that is what happened, than I've no doubt you will be fine, he will be fine, and the exchange of words and a shove that actually occured will amount to nothing more than a couple detentions and some words from your parents.
But the sad reality is this...
IF it happened the way you claim it happened, you will need to be an incredibly lucky young man to avoid any legal and financial ramifications from this action. And most of that luck will require both the DA and the other kid's parents to be pretty stupid.
So good luck with that!
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
Baloney. Where I come from, that's called a sucker punch, and it usually comes back to hunt you...in spades. Blinding your opponent before ever throwing a punch is a wussy move. And you can spell wussy with a capital "P"..
Hey, welcome to the real world! We ALL make payments out of OUR POCKETS for the things that WE WANT. That's the way the world works. You could have sued him in civil court for the damage to your truck and most likely gotten an entirely new paint job outta the deal, plus some piocket change for your time out of work because of your lack of transportation, and a neat little rental car, to boot.
Instead, you commit felonious assault on an individual that you sucker punched. Good luck in the Marines. I hope they teach what it takes to be a real man someday...
Michael823
New member
I'm really surprised by all of the justification. I think that there are times where people should defend themselves, and had you caught him in the act of keying your car, then that's perhaps more understandable. But to do it in school, have parental and marine recruit backing, as well as to brag about it... Well, it's really stupid. No other way to describe such a poor decision, and I really don't think there's any excuse.
No one even knows why this kid (or adult) keyed the truck (which is cowardly and inexcusable as well), so the, he said - she said, is really worthless. The fact is, you fought on school grounds, you're now deeper in the hole (which you seem to find "cool"), and you have the nerve to brag about it.
No one even knows why this kid (or adult) keyed the truck (which is cowardly and inexcusable as well), so the, he said - she said, is really worthless. The fact is, you fought on school grounds, you're now deeper in the hole (which you seem to find "cool"), and you have the nerve to brag about it.
dionythicus
Kiss My Hearse
I just hope that the op finds out that fixing the scratch would have been alot cheaper and a lot less hassle. But even if he spends thousands to justify his actions, much more than his $1500 estimate to repaint the scratches, he won't think it was the wrong choice. Just to clear something up about the $1500 estimate, you do have insurance, right? If you're making payments then you're required to have insurance. Your deductible couldn't be as $$ as the estimate. Why didn't you call your insurance to get it fixed? And I know sometimes insurance can go up when you make a claim, but so much so that you (or your mother) didn't think that might be the right answer. Here's my reasoning....
When I moved into a new condo, someone hit my car in the parking lot. As it turned out, it was my downstairs neighbor's bf, and she was in the car when it happened. She lied when I asked if anyone know who hit my car. I found the broken plastic from the headlight of the other car and kept it. I took pics of my car with red paint smears. Three months later, I go outside and there's a red Toyota pick up with my car's paint still on the bumper. I left a note on the truck and told him to contact me about reimbursing me for my insurance deductible and the money I paid for a rental car for three days. If he didn't, I'd contact the police and file hit and run charges. He acted like a man and paid me back. No asault necessary, no cheating involved. That's what adults do.
When I moved into a new condo, someone hit my car in the parking lot. As it turned out, it was my downstairs neighbor's bf, and she was in the car when it happened. She lied when I asked if anyone know who hit my car. I found the broken plastic from the headlight of the other car and kept it. I took pics of my car with red paint smears. Three months later, I go outside and there's a red Toyota pick up with my car's paint still on the bumper. I left a note on the truck and told him to contact me about reimbursing me for my insurance deductible and the money I paid for a rental car for three days. If he didn't, I'd contact the police and file hit and run charges. He acted like a man and paid me back. No asault necessary, no cheating involved. That's what adults do.
l0ck_0ff
USMC Semper Fi
all of your statements are false. those onlly apply to pulbic fights. it happened in school so they wont do anything major. they dont really care it wasnt out on the street it was at school this being my first offesne i only get a ticket as i have never been in trouble before.and my recruiter knows the whole story i told him and so did the kid and he said everything is fine. i am still going. im still a poolie
l0ck_0ff
USMC Semper Fi
its not bragging. bragging would be me sayin OH I BEAT THIS KID UP ND IT WAS GREAT I FEEL SOOOOO BA BOUT IT in fact i am not doing that.
and no one read the fact that MY TRUCK IS GETTING FIXED. and the kid is paying for it. so this is working out in my favor.
When you get paid back, and you WILL be paid back, I hope you come here and tell us all about it.
If you can type, that is cuz I see a helluva asswhoppin comin your way.
If you can't take a guy on without blinding him, you suck, you're not a man in any stretch of the imagination and you're the type of guy I would do my best to avoid.
I know you don't get it, but this isn't some tiny first offense thing, this is about your character, or serious lack thereof, and the kind of man you'll be if you live long enough to become one.
I kinda feel sorry for your mom.
If you can type, that is cuz I see a helluva asswhoppin comin your way.
If you can't take a guy on without blinding him, you suck, you're not a man in any stretch of the imagination and you're the type of guy I would do my best to avoid.
I know you don't get it, but this isn't some tiny first offense thing, this is about your character, or serious lack thereof, and the kind of man you'll be if you live long enough to become one.
I kinda feel sorry for your mom.
insomniac101
Occupant
I don't think so. Do you go to a private school, or a public, taxpayer-funded school?
I highly doubt this is over. You say there were a lot of witnesses to this guy bragging about keying your truck. High school gossip gets around. What happens when parents start hearing about some hot-headed guy at school, and fear for the safety of their kids? Parents vote, and attend school board meetings.
Also, you mentioned that you have a job. Will you still have a job if you end up with a felony assault conviction? Employers have a legal and moral obligation to provide a safe workplace, and insurance carriers aren't happy about an employee being hurt by another, even if off company property.
I agree with what tyflier said. This could have a huge legal and financial impact on you. You may dodge a bullet this time, but you would be very wise to start making better decisions in the future. I think people are just trying to get you to think about what could happen to you down the road.
Kathy
Teddy Roosevelt
i loev cronsankes
Jason... doing it on school grounds in front of a ton of people IS public. It's working out for you today, but it won't be tomorrow, or the next day, or whenever you get the inevitable court summons. I'm sorry, but this was pretty poorly thought through, even considering what an a** that other kid was and how you tried to solve it nonviolently.