l0ck_0ff
USMC Semper Fi
ahh i went all the non violet legal routes. still nothing after he admitted to me doing this.
but since i fought in school i wont get any charges. because its school not the street
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fight'n friday. would you tell your kid to go to school and fight??
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ahh i went all the non violet legal routes. still nothing after he admitted to me doing this.
but since i fought in school i wont get any charges. because its school not the street
Roy Munson
New member
Just, or not, the OP's actions aren't a sensible foundation on which to base future decisions. The jails are full of just people-- it only depends on who's doing the judging.
l0ck_0ff
USMC Semper Fi
i do have morals and values
but cops already assured me all this
i wouldnt say it if i wasnt sure. i never fight only to defend myself. this is my first time starting an actual physical fight.
Outcast
ATPSS
the problem that i see with you l0ck 0ff, is that you dont think that you did anything wrong... you really dont seem to have morals when it comes to fighting. if you are going to walk up to a guy, shout out "im going to beat you up" and proceed to pull his hoody over his head and hit him 3 times before giving him a fighting chance....
I dont know too much about brawling, but when i would think that you "giving him a chance to fight" after you had hit him 3 times in the face, the damage was done, he was dazed and didnt have a fighting chance...
and the fact that you think that you did nothing wrong is just appauling. it definatly speaks against your character.
I dont know too much about brawling, but when i would think that you "giving him a chance to fight" after you had hit him 3 times in the face, the damage was done, he was dazed and didnt have a fighting chance...
and the fact that you think that you did nothing wrong is just appauling. it definatly speaks against your character.
dionythicus
Kiss My Hearse
I can't believe you weren't expelled. Where I come from, we take bullying seriously. Any student who did what you did would be out on his or her butt in a heartbeat. Deservedly so.
ComoxCorn
Pssst...Got Corn??
I kinda have you pegged as a bit of a thug. You did brag in your openning post and you seem to come off as a bit of a know-it-all on legal issues. I've seen first hand how you've talked to some people in the chatroom here and quite honestly, you seem to show little respect to people.
As far as most of this story goes, it sounds to me like just that, a story.
Good luck in the marines, if they accept you.
Ricky87
New member
And the bases are loaded...
HOME RUN!!!!...Definitely wouldn't be the first person to go to jail for being 'in the right', and once you're in there you're basically just another criminal..I really hope it doesn't come to that this time, but a propensity for assault will land you in the slammer with a guy named Big Shirl who just so happens to be a big fan of first-timers and slippery soap lol..Not something I'd want to risk over a scratch that Billy May's can fix for the low-low price of $19.95, that's for sure!.
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
There is a HUGE difference between walking up to someone, giving him a push, and duking it out to whatever ends, and walking up to someone, and saying "Where gonna fight" while you pull their shirt over their head and throw cheap uppercuts...
If the other guy was beating him soundly...by all means, pull his shirt over his head. If the other guy was caught in the act of keying the car...by all means, lay one on him with a length of pipe. If the other guy starts throwing and one of his frioends jumps in...do whatever you gotta do to get throughy. But you don't walk up to someone and sucker punch them. That's not how a man deals with an issue. That's not how a REAL man starts a fistfight with someone that deserves a beating.
A REAL man walks up to his enemy, looks him straight in the face and tells him that they are gonna settle their problem. Key words being "looks him straight in the eye".
Yes..."if you have to fight, win". I agree 100%. The OP did not have to fight. He was not PUT in a situation, he CREATED a situation. And if you wanna be the tough guy and START the fight, the least you can do is be honorable about. You don't throw the first punch when the other guy doesn't know it's coming. It's cheap.
I don't disagree with OP for wanting to give the guy a beating, I disagree with his cowardice in the confrontation. I also disagree with his statements regarding the legality of his actions and his claims of untouchable status, but there are 2 different aspects of disagreement, here. I DO give him the benefit of the doubt that the other guy deserved a beating. Heck, I probably would have given him a beating, too. But there would have positively been no mistake that a punch was coming long before it ever connected, and that is the difference.
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
Uhh...school is Public Property. Not only that, schools are typically required to report to the auithorities any violent action that results in the injury of a student, especially when the injury is caused by a student. They don't give you a ticket for felonious assault, and what you described in your opening post is without a doubt felonious assault.
Which leads me to conclude that frankly...you're full of it. This didn't happen to NEAR the extent or remotely CLOSE to the manner which you describe. I call baloney on the entire story. You made it all up, hoping to sound like a tough guy, and get pats on the back from everyone here for standing up for yourself and "being a man".
Your truck got keyed, you got pissed, your insurance company covered it(because you're required to have coverage when there is a lien against your vehicle), and you made up a "really cool" story to tell on the internet. Nothing more, nothing less.
The rest of this is just stuff you are trying to make up as you go along to save face and explain why you're not in jail awaiting felony assault charges...
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
No...I'm trying to have a discussion. What are you doing? I read your reply, and had a mix of agreement and disagreement, so I replied...like everyone else in the topic is doing.
So I ask again...what are you doing? I thought you had me on ignore...:shrugs:
l0ck_0ff
USMC Semper Fi
true story it all happened. i didnt get in as bad of trouble because he admitted to cops after everything happened so he is just as much at fault as me. sounding like a tough guy is the least of my worries. my truck isnt fixed to this day. im waiting for court. yes i did hurt him and yes it was reported to authorities. but its all up to judge what really happens. last year i was in a fight and hurt that kid judge gave me 1,000 dollar fine and said if i had good grades/behavior he would cut the ticket down to 300. and thats what happened. its school they arent gonna take me to county jail for a fight. deans know everything police know every my recruiter knows everything. i think i know what i am talking about.
Dinah
New member
I thought you had never been in trouble before? But now you have been before a judge in the past about fighting? Did I misunderstand you somewhere along the line?
l0ck_0ff
USMC Semper Fi
they cant say i have been in trouble if it didnt go on my record.
i have had plenty of court incedents but they never went on my record they always got dismissed. so technically i havent been in trouble because my record is clean.
ticket for under-age smoking
ticket for speeding
ticket for fighting
and now this.
and ticket for running stop sign.
all got wiped out. i was lucky by that but they also made me pay alot.
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
D'Oh!!!!! :roflmao:
Patience and restraint have rewarded me once again.
The above post has my vote for "Post Of The Day"........ :laugh:
Nellie (Dinah), you deserve credit, too. You finally extracted the tooth. Truth, I mean Truth. Not tooth.
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You know, I was all about to quip out, "Can anyone say cannonfodder?" when I realized that it was sort of cruel. And true.
This kid won't realize it. He'll never understand it. He's perfect. He will do as told and question nothing so long as it's an order.
The sad thing is, he's not the only one.
That's sad, I mean really and truly sorrowful and so I didn't say it, not the way I would normally but I did post it. I posted it because I am hopeful that somewhere someone who doesn't know what it is but is in danger of becoming it, will wonder enough about what Cannonfodder is to actually find out.
I guy I know wrote the following following the death of another 18 year old. The difference between Grant and the OP is tremendous. One of them should feel ashamed of his behavior.
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I knew a boy once. A nice boy, sort of a dork really. He loved his Mom and Dad, never in any serious trouble, and always a big smile with shy eyes that his hair was constantly falling in front of. I doubt if he ever had a serious girlfriend.
He was a funny kid. Not the mean kind who play jokes on others but one of those who liked to make people laugh. He could twist his face up pretty fierce if there was a good laugh waiting to be had from it. He enjoyed a good laugh, especially if he was the cause of it. He told a good joke too.
Tall and skinny, turn him sideways and you’d easily mistake him for a fence post. He wasn’t the strongest boy I ever knew but he was one of the truest. He stood by his friends and stayed by his word, even as young as he was. There’s a lot to be said for that. Knowing that, he never said much about it. He had honour.
Now don’t go thinkin’ I’m makin’ him out to be perfect, he was far from it, which made him even better. He didn’t mean to knock the lamp over and break it. He meant it even less the second time. But he owned up to it to save anyone else from getting in trouble, even though no one but the dog knew he did it the second time. He was that kind of boy. Never asked a single thing from Old Mrs. Reefles and must have hauled her groceries and raked her yard a million times. Or at least a few dozen. He just did it to help. He was that kind of kid.
I never had to carry anything heavy by myself if he was there. I never had to ask for help either. He did it because he thought he should, because someone had taught him it was right. I would have been proud to call him son instead of just friend.
Doing right was important to him. He was a good boy.
Doing right called him to service in a foreign land. A land where we are not welcomed as invited guests but seen as usurpers and supplanters of a long lived way of life, where we are not celebrated as a force fighting for liberation but tolerated as interlopers, killed in the dark of night as loathsome enemies. Others like him had gone before, others like him would follow, but he felt that now was his time to go. Doing right, he signed up and left. We were all so proud.
So he went. Because he thought it was right to fight beside the other sons and brothers, cousins and uncles, boys and men who had no stake in a country they didn’t want to be in, fighting people who only wanted their homes and a job and their families to be safe, to be able to walk at night without being shot; the things HE left behind, those very things. He was in a country fighting to give them what he had left at home. He did what he thought was right not for any gain of his own, not for profit or pleasure. He did it because he thought he should.
And when he comes home, which he will in just a few days, it will be in a plain pine box, keeping him still and straight, starched and pressed and clean for the last time, for that final journey that ends when the hole is filled and a good boy is a memory only.
I knew this boy, this child, this person who made me laugh and now makes me cry and I loved him. He was a good boy.
This kid won't realize it. He'll never understand it. He's perfect. He will do as told and question nothing so long as it's an order.
The sad thing is, he's not the only one.
That's sad, I mean really and truly sorrowful and so I didn't say it, not the way I would normally but I did post it. I posted it because I am hopeful that somewhere someone who doesn't know what it is but is in danger of becoming it, will wonder enough about what Cannonfodder is to actually find out.
I guy I know wrote the following following the death of another 18 year old. The difference between Grant and the OP is tremendous. One of them should feel ashamed of his behavior.
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I knew a boy once. A nice boy, sort of a dork really. He loved his Mom and Dad, never in any serious trouble, and always a big smile with shy eyes that his hair was constantly falling in front of. I doubt if he ever had a serious girlfriend.
He was a funny kid. Not the mean kind who play jokes on others but one of those who liked to make people laugh. He could twist his face up pretty fierce if there was a good laugh waiting to be had from it. He enjoyed a good laugh, especially if he was the cause of it. He told a good joke too.
Tall and skinny, turn him sideways and you’d easily mistake him for a fence post. He wasn’t the strongest boy I ever knew but he was one of the truest. He stood by his friends and stayed by his word, even as young as he was. There’s a lot to be said for that. Knowing that, he never said much about it. He had honour.
Now don’t go thinkin’ I’m makin’ him out to be perfect, he was far from it, which made him even better. He didn’t mean to knock the lamp over and break it. He meant it even less the second time. But he owned up to it to save anyone else from getting in trouble, even though no one but the dog knew he did it the second time. He was that kind of boy. Never asked a single thing from Old Mrs. Reefles and must have hauled her groceries and raked her yard a million times. Or at least a few dozen. He just did it to help. He was that kind of kid.
I never had to carry anything heavy by myself if he was there. I never had to ask for help either. He did it because he thought he should, because someone had taught him it was right. I would have been proud to call him son instead of just friend.
Doing right was important to him. He was a good boy.
Doing right called him to service in a foreign land. A land where we are not welcomed as invited guests but seen as usurpers and supplanters of a long lived way of life, where we are not celebrated as a force fighting for liberation but tolerated as interlopers, killed in the dark of night as loathsome enemies. Others like him had gone before, others like him would follow, but he felt that now was his time to go. Doing right, he signed up and left. We were all so proud.
So he went. Because he thought it was right to fight beside the other sons and brothers, cousins and uncles, boys and men who had no stake in a country they didn’t want to be in, fighting people who only wanted their homes and a job and their families to be safe, to be able to walk at night without being shot; the things HE left behind, those very things. He was in a country fighting to give them what he had left at home. He did what he thought was right not for any gain of his own, not for profit or pleasure. He did it because he thought he should.
And when he comes home, which he will in just a few days, it will be in a plain pine box, keeping him still and straight, starched and pressed and clean for the last time, for that final journey that ends when the hole is filled and a good boy is a memory only.
I knew this boy, this child, this person who made me laugh and now makes me cry and I loved him. He was a good boy.
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
LOck off, one of the things you are going to have to understand is that you opened yourself up for litigation. If this kid, or his parents if he is under 18, decide to, they can take you to court. You could and probably will be held liable for this kids injuries, pain and suffering and probably punitive damages. Regardless of what he has done.
As far as the military goes, if this kid or his family, opens litigation against you, then you will have to sit out the Marines, until it goes to trial and then until any and all of the judicial award is paid. Also, a criminal record, especially a felony, could exclude you from the military. You can't be in possession of a firearm, even in the military, once you lost that right.
The ticket; I know you said that the recruiter is going to try to fix the ticket. That's going to be up to the either the issuing officer or prosecuting attorney. Hopefully they will not pursue charges in this matter. Your past transgressions may be a factor in this case. Just because they weren't adjudicated or charges were null prossed, doesn't mean that they don't know about them.
I applaud your attempt at trying to rectify this situation, but you needed to try and take this a step further. If the school or your local law enforcement isn't willing to help, then you needed to find another avenue to secure just compensation. Sometimes becoming a thorn in the side of the police works, and if not, then a trip to the local court house and the filing of small claims litigation does the trick.
Good luck! I hope this all works out for you.
Wayne
As far as the military goes, if this kid or his family, opens litigation against you, then you will have to sit out the Marines, until it goes to trial and then until any and all of the judicial award is paid. Also, a criminal record, especially a felony, could exclude you from the military. You can't be in possession of a firearm, even in the military, once you lost that right.
The ticket; I know you said that the recruiter is going to try to fix the ticket. That's going to be up to the either the issuing officer or prosecuting attorney. Hopefully they will not pursue charges in this matter. Your past transgressions may be a factor in this case. Just because they weren't adjudicated or charges were null prossed, doesn't mean that they don't know about them.
I applaud your attempt at trying to rectify this situation, but you needed to try and take this a step further. If the school or your local law enforcement isn't willing to help, then you needed to find another avenue to secure just compensation. Sometimes becoming a thorn in the side of the police works, and if not, then a trip to the local court house and the filing of small claims litigation does the trick.
Good luck! I hope this all works out for you.
Wayne
l0ck_0ff
USMC Semper Fi
wayne your right. i do have a foid card and a gun. but i dont think he will sue me because he is 18 i mean his parents can pay for it but when i talked to them they didnt seem to care bout what happened to their kid. they said he shouldnt have keyed my truck to begin with and they apologized to me and i apologized to them they said after court they want this dropped. and im hoping it will be
