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Info for would be corn breeders

Snakehead said:
Lets say you had the choice of being killed or being released into your natural enviroment? I don't think there's any doubt which you would take. Like I said they will have a fighting chance. At least as much as any cornsnake born in the wild. I don't do it with all my corns, just the ones from this area. I realize some may take issue with it, but my point is that at least they are not being slaughtered by my hands. I don't have a problem with choosing which ones to procreate, my problem is slaughtering the less fortunate ones.
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So, let me get this straight.... You release CB corns into the wild, therefore taxing the local population?
 
Jeff Linkchorst said:
This thread needs a bullet right between the eyes Jen. It went south a while ago. It started off well with good intentions. I am actually sorry I wasted my time reading this! Someone owes me at least a half an hour. :grin01:
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Obviously this topic is very compelling and intersting! Or it wouldn't have gone on this long. I even tried to put it away but found myself coming back, lol. So if you don't like it, there are hundreds of other threads you can go read. Sorry I'm tired of people complaining because people are giving their opinions. I respect the right of the Cullers to opinion just as much as those opposed to culling. If Jen is upset we can start a new thread about Culling? But I think plenty has been said here already, it's just very addictive because of the subject matter.
 
Snakehead said:
Lets say you had the choice of being killed or being released into your natural enviroment? I don't think there's any doubt which you would take. Like I said they will have a fighting chance. At least as much as any cornsnake born in the wild. I don't do it with all my corns, just the ones from this area. I realize some may take issue with it, but my point is that at least they are not being slaughtered by my hands. I don't have a problem with choosing which ones to procreate, my problem is slaughtering the less fortunate ones.
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So you'd rather pass the buck?

"I don't want to humanely cull these babies I don't want, so I'll just throw them in the backyard and maybe some of them will live and maybe some won't, but I don't care because my conscience is clean."

I'm sure the sarcasm isn't appropriate. I just find it laughable that you'd condemn others for humanely euthanizing hatchlings while you just release them outside and let nature do the dirty work.

Outcast said:
So, let me get this straight.... You release CB corns into the wild, therefore taxing the local population?
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Oh no Aaron. It's perfectly okay because he caught the parents locally... :rolleyes:
 
Outcast said:
So, let me get this straight.... You release CB corns into the wild, therefore taxing the local population?
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Yes for every 10 mice they eat, they have to give me one mouse!

Look I released maybe 10 Corns in my yard, I seriously doubt they are taxing the local population! They are probably supporting the Indigo population if anything, lol.
 
What about possible diseases you may have in your collection, that could have been spread to those babies while in your care?
 
Em Wright said:
So you'd rather pass the buck?

"I don't want to humanely cull these babies I don't want, so I'll just throw them in the backyard and maybe some of them will live and maybe some won't, but I don't care because my conscience is clean."

I'm sure the sarcasm isn't appropriate. I just find it laughable that you'd condemn others for humanely euthanizing hatchlings while you just release them outside and let nature do the dirty work.
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I have plenty of other Corns that I don't release so no I don't pass the buck. I find homes for all my hets and less desireables, I don't kill them. I have given many away to people who are interested in snakes but have never had one. I have even given away cages and help them get started. Maybe they will catch the fever and want to buy more corns, maybe even one of yours someday?
 
Snakehead said:
Yes for every 10 mice they eat, they have to give me one mouse!

Look I released maybe 10 Corns in my yard, I seriously doubt they are taxing the local population! They are probably supporting the Indigo population if anything, lol.
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So you post this thread and act "supprior" about culling while you state that you release babies into the wild??????????? WTF? How dare you act that way when you are releasing your babies to be less humenly killed!
 
josie said:
So you post this thread and act "supprior" about culling while you state that you release babies into the wild??????????? WTF? How dare you act that way when you are releasing your babies to be less humenly killed!
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WTF Corns are born in the wild everyday. In fact the parents of those 10 babies were born in the wild! So all Corns in the wild lead cruel lives? What kind of thinking is that?
 
It does not matter that the parents of those 10 babies were born in the wild, the chances of the parents having what you have in your collection is high, then the mother passes that on to the embryo's or shell, you place the eggs into an incubator, and when the babies hatch, Bam! contaminated right away. There is not escaping it. I am not saying that you have anything in your collection that would decimate a wild population, but if there were, you have successfully released it into the wild.
 
Outcast said:
It does not matter that the parents of those 10 babies were born in the wild, the chances of the parents having what you have in your collection is high, then the mother passes that on to the embryo's or shell, you place the eggs into an incubator, and when the babies hatch, Bam! contaminated right away. There is not escaping it. I am not saying that you have anything in your collection that would decimate a wild population, but if there were, you have successfully released it into the wild.
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OK you made a good point! My collection is very healthy, but you may be right so I will not release anymore. See, I'm not closed minded. I am passionate about certain subjects, but I listen to "intelegent" arguements.
 
Snakehead said:
OK you made a good point! My collection is very healthy, but you may be right so I will not release anymore. See, I'm not closed minded. I am passionate about certain subjects, but I listen to "intelegent" arguements.
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I try to do what I can. I get pretty passionate about certain subjects too. I am glad to hear that your snakes are healthy. There is someone here who is working with a group to figure out the differences between the bacteria in CB and WC corns mouths. I cannot wait to hear what they find.
 
You have stated that any and all babies produced by you are beyond culling while in fact you have stated that babies produced by you have been released into the wild. I would rather have a baby humanily cullied the released into the wild then stated by you. Climb out of your big boy britches, you are no less playing god then any other that culls, you just let Mother Nature do it for you....SHAME ON YOU! Step off your soapbox! You do not deserve it
Snakehead said:
WTF Corns are born in the wild everyday. In fact the parents of those 10 babies were born in the wild! So all Corns in the wild lead cruel lives? What kind of thinking is that? That does not make you superior to Chip, it just makes you more heartless!
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Snakehead said:
Obviously this topic is very compelling and intersting! Or it wouldn't have gone on this long. I even tried to put it away but found myself coming back, lol. So if you don't like it, there are hundreds of other threads you can go read. Sorry I'm tired of people complaining because people are giving their opinions. I respect the right of the Cullers to opinion just as much as those opposed to culling. If Jen is upset we can start a new thread about Culling? But I think plenty has been said here already, it's just very addictive because of the subject matter.
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Please don't tell me what to do. I am free to Choose. Just like any one that chooses to breed. They can make their own standards. :headbang:
 
Snakehead said:
I have plenty of other Corns that I don't release so no I don't pass the buck. I find homes for all my hets and less desireables, I don't kill them. I have given many away to people who are interested in snakes but have never had one. I have even given away cages and help them get started. Maybe they will catch the fever and want to buy more corns, maybe even one of yours someday?
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josie said:
So you post this thread and act "supprior" about culling while you state that you release babies into the wild??????????? WTF? How dare you act that way when you are releasing your babies to be less humenly killed!
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Snakehead said:
WTF Corns are born in the wild everyday. In fact the parents of those 10 babies were born in the wild! So all Corns in the wild lead cruel lives? What kind of thinking is that?
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josie said:
You have stated that any and all babies produced by you are beyond culling while in fact you have stated that babies produced by you have been released into the wild. I would rather have a baby humanily cullied the released into the wild then stated by you. Climb out of your big boy britches, you are no less playing god then any other that culls, you just let Mother Nature do it for you....SHAME ON YOU! Step off your soapbox! You do not deserve it
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Okay Snakehead, so if you just give away babies to new homes that you don't want why on earth did you release those 10 into the wild? Why didn't you do the responsible thing and rehome those 10 hatchlings instead of releasing them into your backyard? Surely as an experienced snake keeper and breeder you should know the risks?

So please, do tell, why not rehome those babies instead of releasing them? That (rehoming) to me seems better than what you did.

I agree with Josie. Shame on you! :nope:
 
josie said:
You have stated that any and all babies produced by you are beyond culling while in fact you have stated that babies produced by you have been released into the wild. I would rather have a baby humanily cullied the released into the wild then stated by you. Climb out of your big boy britches, you are no less playing god then any other that culls, you just let Mother Nature do it for you....SHAME ON YOU! Step off your soapbox! You do not deserve it
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Bite me! it's ok :)
 
Em Wright said:
Okay Snakehead, so if you just give away babies to new homes that you don't want why on earth did you release those 10 into the wild? Why didn't you do the responsible thing and rehome those 10 hatchlings instead of releasing them into your backyard? Surely as an experienced snake keeper and breeder you should know the risks?

So please, do tell, why not rehome those babies instead of releasing them? That (rehoming) to me seems better than what you did.

I agree with Josie. Shame on you! :nope:
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I already said that maybe it wasn't a good idea! What more do you want? I never thought and still don't think really that they had any sickness since they were released soon after hatching. But in the possibility that maaaybe something could go wrong, I will not release anymore. I can admit when I'm wrong.
 
Remember the thread about Rich Z. finding the lavender motley out in his yard??? We've already had the releasing hatchlings discussion, too. I agree with Rich- at least non-feeders have a _chance_ to find something they like outside on their own. I'd rather be released in my natural environment rather than be culled. Especially since I'd bet 95% of us are killing snakes by putting them in the freezer, which is _not_ humane...
 
cull - an organised killing of selected animals; To select animals from a group and then kill them in order to reduce the numbers of the group in a controlled manner; To kill (animals etc)

Does it make those that practice it feel better to say cull rather than kill?
 
From a biologists standpoint, I disagree with releasing CB corns into the wild. For many of the reasons already listed. How does that make us any better than those releasing pythons into the wild. And now they are getting bans. You may not realize the harms it causes to the natural environment when releasing corn snakes, at least not like pythons. Its on a much smaller scale. Nature has a certain number of animals it can support in any given area. If you are pushing out the natives with your CB snakes by them out competing natives for food, that whole local corn population may be at risk. We dont know if our CB corns are heartier than wild ones, but what if?
 
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