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Is this an Albino??

Listen, I don't know you, you don't know me. So, assuming what I was doing in spending the money I did to give him a good home, be it temporarily or forever, you couldn't possibly judge. IF I hadn't found it, someone else would have out here and he would not be alive today. We live in a very heavily hawk populated area and if they didn't get him because of him not having the usual camouflage of most snakes, these old people would have killed him for sure. I did not mind spending the money because I figured IF I didn't see where someone was missing him, I would keep him. I certainly wasn't going to just put him in a make shift home and not take good care of him until someone possibly posted a sign for a lost pet. Thank you for withdrawing from this thread because you seem to have the minority vote here and I didn't join this forum to argue and be judged. I am trying to get more info on taking care of beautiful snake. :wavey:
 
OK I'm back. hehehe I can hear them readying the guillotine now!

Here's some info on taking care of a beautiful snake.
Sterilite tub - $10
Small UTH - $15
News Paper $.50
Card board box hides - free
A couple of frozen mice - $5
Plastic water dish from Walmart - $2
And no, that's not "a make shift home", that's what a lot of the people here use.

I AM a bit touchy about this subject because I've lost a snake.
I bought her a spiffy (expensive) new viv and she escaped through a design flaw in it.

Also I'm an overly compassionate person ever since I had a child.
Gee, I hope my kid never gets lost. She's really pretty, somebody would keep her. :rolleyes:
 
Albino Billy said:
Listen, I don't know you, you don't know me. So, assuming what I was doing in spending the money I did to give him a good home, be it temporarily or forever, you couldn't possibly judge. IF I hadn't found it, someone else would have out here and he would not be alive today. We live in a very heavily hawk populated area and if they didn't get him because of him not having the usual camouflage of most snakes, these old people would have killed him for sure. I did not mind spending the money because I figured IF I didn't see where someone was missing him, I would keep him. I certainly wasn't going to just put him in a make shift home and not take good care of him until someone possibly posted a sign for a lost pet. Thank you for withdrawing from this thread because you seem to have the minority vote here and I didn't join this forum to argue and be judged. I am trying to get more info on taking care of beautiful snake. :wavey:

I think you have to get used to that happening sometimes. Because out of their compassion for snakes some members can get a little 'overheated' (not esp. referring at Mary-Beth) and sound judging and slightly rude, but in general it is not personal and only with the health/well being of the snake in mind.

I would like to be able to look myself in the eye and say; you took reasonable efforts to get the snake back to the owner.' Those efforts would be in line with Dean's. Maybe I would try a little harder.... though this beuatifull butter makes it really tempting to just ignore the existence of the former owner...
 
Mary-Beth is KoRny said:
Also I'm an overly compassionate person ever since I had a child.
Gee, I hope my kid never gets lost. She's really pretty, somebody would keep her. :rolleyes:

:roflmao: If I find a kid in my driveway, I'm definitely going to at least put a "found" classified in the paper. I wouldn't know, but I'll bet that one of those is harder to take care of than a thousand corns. :grin01:
 
Just a side note, When you post the "Found a snake" sign, I wouldn't give much more of a description. Let them discribe it to you.
 
I do understand where Mary is coming from. I do not blame her for her compassion but what started out as a knowledge filled thread has turned in to a debate about finding the owner. I WAS getting all kinds of tips and info until this started and I am not pleased with how this has turned out. I have 4 boys ranging from 6 to 18 years old and I could blame my having a very motherly instinct and wanting to take excellent care of this snake on that. You are either born with compassion or not. If I found a child, I would not keep it because I thought it was pretty. This is absurd and I don't appreciated the insinuation. AND if I did lose one of my kids (which would be kind of hard because being an experienced mother, I take certain precautions to make sure they don't get out of their "spiffy" vivs) I would certainly do everything in my power to find my precious child. I would be the one posting signs and putting ads in the paper and at the post office. I happen to like watching a snake in a more natural environment so, I bought the spiffy viv and got the neat looking rock bowl and the climbing branch for him. Whatever works for the person who has the animal or reptile is what works for them. I know some people who keep their snakes in hat boxes. I wouldn't want to be put in a hat box for 17 years but snakes like the dark hiding place that offers and they are content that way. I personally like to put separate hides in the viv so I can watch him when he explores out in the open of his spiffy viv. GEEZ! Enough already... :smash:
You know, I rescued this snake out of a very busy parking lot and saved it from certain death. I love this snake and I am doing everything in my power to make sure it stays healthy and secure. If I were his previous owner, I would post signs all over the place saying I had lost the snake and to please contact me if he is seen. I have been watching all the "missing" signs we get on our power polls to see if anyone is missing him. So far, nothing. I would not keep him from his rightful owner if the owner put out missing signs. I am not that kind of a person and yes, you are being rude. I don't need a detailed list of how much boxes and bowls cost. I've made it 37 years and 4 kids so far, I think I know how to shop.

Here's some info that might come in handy for you:

Backing out gracefully - free, please do... You know, sort of how you back away slowly and quietly if you come upon a poisonous snake.....

Now, if anyone out there has any info on how I can deal with the light or heating pad situation, please write. Roy, Dean this would mean you... :wavey:
 
Roy Munson said:
I dunno. Part of being a responsible snake owner is secure containment. If you allow a snake to escape, and in the unlikely event that it somehow eludes predation long enough to be rescued by a responsible and willing keeper, I'm happy to see the snake stay where it is. I don't think I'd even post a notice. I might glance at the 'missing' ads in the paper, or take a quick look at that clubhouse bulletin board, but that's about it. :shrugs:
I just have to comment on this...would you have made this statement to someone finding a similar snake in the area where Steve Roylance lives after he had a good portion of his snakes on the loose after being hit by the hurricane? Personally, I would do a little more to find the snake's owner.
 
Albino Billy said:
Backing out gracefully - free, please do... You know, sort of how you back away slowly and quietly if you come upon a poisonous snake.....
No need to get snippy. This is a discussion forum, so we need to be tolerant of opposing viewpoints. :)
Now, if anyone out there has any info on how I can deal with the light or heating pad situation, please write. Roy, Dean this would mean you... :wavey:
I would get a decent reptile heating pad, and stick it to a thin tile. Buy a good thermometer/hygrometer too. Place the tank so that 1/3 of one end is over the pad with the tile between. Check temps. If your temps on the warm side exceed 83-85*, you need to put something else between the tile and the tank until you can get the warm side temps in that range. Cardboard, or just about any thin material can be used to acheive the temps. The heating pads usually come with little "feet"; use them. Ditch the lamps; they dry out a viv. Good luck.
Susan said:
I just have to comment on this...would you have made this statement to someone finding a similar snake in the area where Steve Roylance lives after he had a good portion of his snakes on the loose after being hit by the hurricane? Personally, I would do a little more to find the snake's owner.
No, I wouldn't necessarily have made the same statement if the original poster was in an area where I knew someone had lost snakes that might include the rescued one. I said that all situations are different. I'm not advocating anything approaching dishonesty. I don't think a natural disaster freed this butter-- it either escaped, or it was released. All I'm saying is that there are definite limits to what I would do to find the original owner in a situation like this one. Maybe your limits are further out. That's cool too. :)

If you think that I gave bad advice, at least you can feel relieved in knowing that situations requiring its application are extremely rare. Most escapees probably meet up with cats, exposure, or shovels long before they can be rescued.
 
Thank you for the advice Dean... I will do that. Anything else you can think of that might be helpful, I would surely appreciate. :)

Holly
 
I was thinking. Has it ever occured to anyone, that the previous owners might have moved out. I know when I was living in apartments, people were constantly moving in or out. Some apartment complexes rent on month to month basis, some on 3, 6, or 9 month leases. Maybe the owners left before they found their corn.
 
What a gorgeous snake! Never found one of those around here, but I did find a lovely lurcher puppy a couple of years ago. I saved him from getting ran over, (he was dodging traffic), his owner's 'phone number was on his collar so I gave him back. I have had 2 found canaries that I did keep though, 1 rescued from my old cat and 1 found on a golf course. We also had a cat move in and he lived the rest of his life with us, I did inform the local shelter but he was never claimed, possibly because he had chronic cat 'flu and cost a fortune in vet fees over the years.
So, if I was lucky enough to find a snake, I'd make some effort to find it's owner, but I know I'd really be hoping it could stay with me. If one of my pets was lost, I'd be trying all avenues to find it, but if it never came back I'd hope someone was prepared to give it a new home and make the efforts to do so properly.
 
Bobo's Mama said:
I was thinking. Has it ever occured to anyone, that the previous owners might have moved out. I know when I was living in apartments, people were constantly moving in or out. Some apartment complexes rent on month to month basis, some on 3, 6, or 9 month leases. Maybe the owners left before they found their corn.

Hi Becky, it would occur to me IF we lived in apartments but we don't. We live in condos and there are only two that people rent out in here. All the others are owned. It's a nice, quiet, condominium community and as owners, we don't like to let go of our condos. The only two that are rented, I know the people and neither one of them would have owned the snake and they have lived here for quite some time. The condos out here that go up for sale are sold before you can even put out a sign. They are sought after and when you get one, you don't let go. LOL! We do have a friend out here that would be the ONLY person I would even imagine to want or have a snake but he has never mentioned it. I am going to ask him today. But other than that, this poor guy must have traveled, because no one out here would even handle a snake much less own one. I tried to educate my next door neighbors and she would only open her door about 6 inches. She told my 13 year old son he wasn't holding the snake tightly enough and that he might come after her. You have to wonder what crazy stories people have been told about snakes to make them think a gentle snake such as this would chase them in to their house. LOL! I'll soften her up. I did get my stepfather to touch a snake for the first time in his whole life with this guy so, that was worth it right there! :)
 
I would still put a ad in the paper, just saying retile found please identify

The owner would call, but as long as you can sleep at night its your choice. I sure would hate for it to be one of my kids snakes. They would be sad.
 
Thats A Very Nice Snake! I Know If It Was One Of Mine I'dve Kept It Safely Locked Up! The Owner Must Be Gutted!
 
diamondlil said:
What a gorgeous snake! Never found one of those around here, but I did find a lovely lurcher puppy a couple of years ago. I saved him from getting ran over, (he was dodging traffic), his owner's 'phone number was on his collar so I gave him back. I have had 2 found canaries that I did keep though, 1 rescued from my old cat and 1 found on a golf course. We also had a cat move in and he lived the rest of his life with us, I did inform the local shelter but he was never claimed, possibly because he had chronic cat 'flu and cost a fortune in vet fees over the years.
So, if I was lucky enough to find a snake, I'd make some effort to find it's owner, but I know I'd really be hoping it could stay with me. If one of my pets was lost, I'd be trying all avenues to find it, but if it never came back I'd hope someone was prepared to give it a new home and make the efforts to do so properly.

It's so nice to see another animal fanatic like us! :) I am one of those nuts who stops traffic to save turtles out of the road!! But I can't help it. I found a dog tag last week and it was near a bag of rotting "something" with lots of bones and I was terrified it was the dog. I called the number on the tag and turns out, the lady's dog had gotten out for a few days and had come home minus his tag. He must have been trying to get in to the bag of bones and the tag got caught. Further investigation showed the bag to be full of Gar fish that someone had just dumped and they had rotted to nothing but bones and stench. YUCK! We rescued a kitty that was playing dodge the cars in the road one time. Poor thing was literally scared stiff. You would have thought it was a stuffed cat. We got him in our car and drove to the house so I could get him recuperated and he did just fine. He was an outside cat though because not too long after that, he went on his own way again. I kept food out for him just in case he needed it but we never saw him again. Maybe he found his family.
In all honesty, there is no way I could keep this snake if I knew someone was looking for it. There have been no local postings about a lost snake or exotic pet and we have looked. If no one posts a sign or ad, I will make sure he lives a long happy life. That is, of course, what I would want for a lost pet of mine if I ever lost one. He seems happy and content and definitely full right now and I hope it stays that way. :)
 
I agree with Dean. I'd browse the condo bulletin board as well as the lost ads in the newspaper, but that's as far as I'd go.

Your husbandy skills must really blow for a snake that big to:

A) Get out of it's tub/viv

B) Not only get out of it's viv, but also get out of the condo!
 
Nice find. And definitely looks like a Butter corn. Certainly don't find many of those around here. ;)

It sounds as though you've got quite a nice home for him/her. And from what I can tell, most everything seems to be in order. Aspen shavings would definitely look better and absorb more of the waste smell than newspaper would. Plus you just have to spot clean up the poo's when they happen. I don't change the entire cage worth of bedding for 2-3 months, round about. They're a pretty low maintenence pet.

Two rat pups a week would make for a very obese snake, I'm sure. One adult mouse a week would suffice nicely and be considerably cheaper as well. I typically feed my adult females one adult mouse or rat pup a week, my adult males one adult mouse every 10-14 days. The males really seem to pack on the weight more than the females, and can get obese easier.

Since you don't know where its been, I would recommend getting a fecal sample to a vet that deals with reptiles. Most areas have at least one exotics vet. And some regular vets will do fecals for you even if they don't do reptiles specifically, you'd just have to ask. Plus a qualified vet could probe the snake to determine it's gender. Which could prove handy when you're wondering why all of a sudden its not wanting to eat for a month or so.

If you haven't gotten it already (I don't recall reading so), you definitely need to pick up Kathy Love's book "Corn Snakes: The Comprehensive Owners Guide". She sells it through her website, www.cornutopia.com, or www.amazon.com sells it, as do most pet stores as well. The book is great with lots of useful information that's easy to understand and follow, plus great pictures of all the morphs of corns.

And Holly, there really is definitely no need to get so defensive. Mary Beth and everyone else mean well, it just happens to be a passionate opinion different than yours. Which at least around here we embrace the ability to express ourselves like that. It's a luxury we enjoy compared to some "other" forums where the moderators tell you what you can and cannot say. That's what makes us different, we can agree to disagree most times.

While I'm not like obsessive-compulsive Dean in my husbandry aspect of things, as for me that just saps the enjoyment out of everything when I have to triple check a tub before re-racking it. I have lost snakes before. Thankfully, I found most in the house weeks and even months later. Just recently forgot to put the weight back on top of my adult female Motley's tub and she got out. I found her a week later under the dryer, being guarded by one of our cats.

And judging on the condition of the snake (if those pictures are pretty recent to when you found him) he looks to be in pretty good condition. I know when mine went missing for 8 months and found her outside, she looked a lot worse than that. So I'd be pretty torn over trying to find the owners, as he doesn't look ill-kept or malnourished, and also wanting to keep him myself.

And to exercise my right to disagree with Dean, just because a snake escaped doesn't mean the original owners weren't responsible enough to take care of it, and therefore she has all rights to keep it.

I've had quite a few escapes myself, and I know it stung me personally when I read that. Sure, most of the escapes were my own dumb fault: not latching lid, forgetting the weight, not putting the wire lid back down all the way. Not all of us are as perfect as some people like to think of themselves as. :rolleyes:

I also don't like to think of myself as irresponsible, as all of my animals are well fed and cared for. But just because of an accident I'm deemed unworthy to take care of it. It's like my dog running off and the neighbors through the woods finding her, some things are just simply out of your control in the end.

I know I'd have a lot less escapes once I can get rid of these damned plastic tubs and their thoroughly worthless lids, but I'm not made of money and the proper caging and racks that I want aren't cheap. I don't have the luxury of dropping a couple grand for AP racks on a whim. Poor people have poor ways, and while I may not be poor per se...buying the high quality food and supplies is more important to me right now.

And before someone goes off on a tangent and says, "Well if you don't have the money for the proper caging, then you shouldn't have the snakes"....I'd be inclined to agree with you. But at least I'm not keeping 4 adult snakes in a single tank, or feeding them together, or doing other similarly daft acts. Every one of my snakes lives in its own tub with exorbatent amounts of space...which is more than I can say for some folks on the forum who keep their snakes cramped into smaller tubs in a rack.

In the end, while I may not go all out and post flyers or ads in the local paper, I would at least glance at the Lost & Found for a month or so in case someone posts something. I know I'd like to think that if someone found my pet they would at least try a little bit to find me. I'm not going to look down on you if you don't do it either. We're all human and all have the same "finders-keepers" desires sometimes. But I know with me, I'd be guilty if I didn't make some attempt.
 
Taceas said:
And to exercise my right to disagree with Dean, just because a snake escaped doesn't mean the original owners weren't responsible enough to take care of it, and therefore she has all rights to keep it.
Well, Misty, that's not exactly what I said. I thought I made my point fairly clearly: if you make a mistake, you have to accept the consequences. That's all.
Not all of us are as perfect as some people like to think of themselves as. :rolleyes:
I hope this wasn't directed at me. I think our posting styles are pretty similar. We call 'em the way we see 'em. I've seen you go off on other posters for aspects of their husbandry with which you passionately disagreed. Even when your tone was preachy, I never felt that you were claiming to be perfect. I guess it's ok when you do it. There's a word for this kind of thinking. :rolleyes:
I know I'd have a lot less escapes once I can get rid of these damned plastic tubs and their thoroughly worthless lids, but I'm not made of money and the proper caging and racks that I want aren't cheap. I don't have the luxury of dropping a couple grand for AP racks on a whim. Poor people have poor ways, and while I may not be poor per se...buying the high quality food and supplies is more important to me right now.
What "whim" prompted me to drop a couple grand on AP racks? Housing my snakes was a necessity, not a whim. And I did not have to compromise any other husbandry aspect to buy these racks. And you know what? You've posted your family income before, and it exceeds mine.
And before someone goes off on a tangent and says, "Well if you don't have the money for the proper caging, then you shouldn't have the snakes"....I'd be inclined to agree with you. But at least I'm not keeping 4 adult snakes in a single tank, or feeding them together, or doing other similarly daft acts. Every one of my snakes lives in its own tub with exorbatent amounts of space...which is more than I can say for some folks on the forum who keep their snakes cramped into smaller tubs in a rack.
So cohabitation and communal feedings are critical husbandry issues for you, and you've made your opinion on it clear on numerous occasions (and once more here). I consider escapes to be as potentially harmful to a snake as either of these practices, but because that is my opinion, and not yours, I guess I have less of a right to express it from your pov. I don't get it. And for the record, not one of my adult corns lives in an enclosure with less floor space than a 20gal tank.

You know I like and respect you Misty, but I don't think this post was completely fair. My post may have stung you personally, but it wasn't personal, and I had no individual in mind when I composed it. Can't say the same for your post. :(
 
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