My corn snake Ruby kills Adult male mouse.

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I'm bipolar too. Don't take it too personally. If someone wants to stay away from me because I'm "defective, I don't want them in my life anyways. In fact, they should probably steer clear of my whole family since Bipolar, ADD, Alcoholism, Depression, and Schizoaffective disorder are rampant in my family.

Holidays with my folks can be really entertaining!

Oh yes holidays are fun. I also have an entertaining family, especially when me and my mum really get going XD I guess it was just the way it was said, I'm actually pretty comfortable with being "defective" but am strongly against hating anyone for the simple reason that they're different or what someone else calls "defective". Anyway it's nice to know I'm not the only one in the club

 

[jpccusa]

I find that mildly offensive. I'm sorry if I'm being touchy but as a person with "mental disorders" that really struck a nerve. I am Bipolar and ADD. I am a person with TRUE mental disorders. I would prefer for you to word it a different way. As for spell check, so someone misspells a word bid deal it's not going to kill you. I really don't see a point to your post. I don't think it adds anything to the discussion at hand. I'm sorry If I'm a little rude.

You are right and I apologize for not being more specific on which kind of mental disorders I was referring to...

EDIT*
1- I smell trolls
2- Stay away from people with mental disorders who may cause you physical harm
3- Everyone should use spell check

PS: I don't think there is a person with no mental disorder.

 

[ceduke]

PS: I don't think there is a person with no mental disorder.

The world would be a boring place if there were.

 

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It's all cool jpccusa, like I said it was mostly the way I read it. Hope we're all good, I don't want to make any enemies on here just yet.:cheers: And yes the world would be quiet dull if everyone was "normal" but could you imagine it? Everyone would be normal and EVERYTHING would be like, beige. For some reason the thought of that make me giggle.

 

[medusacoils]

Brings to mind an old saying. It went something like this;

"Why Be Normal?"

Wayne

 

[ArpeggioAngel]

Brings to mind an old saying. It went something like this;

"Why Be Normal?"

Or my favorite - "Normal is a relative concept"

 

[COerriccaRN]

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I personally did not see anything in any of COerriccaRN's posts that suggested that she enjoys seeing other creatures suffer.

I did and here they are;


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Originally Posted by COerriccaRN
1. Feeding live is not "sick." I think its amazing to watch a snake attack and kill an anole the way it would in the wild. Its enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by COerriccaRN
2. I love to hunt. I enjoy killing deer, it makes me happy.

Hmmmmm?

OKAY....Here it is, one more time for you Medusa...
1. I LOVE to hunt
2. When you hunt, you kill animals.
3. If I didn't kill animals, it wouldn't be hunting.
4. So therefor, I enjoy the sport of hunting, which includes killing animals.

About the anole
1. It IS amazing to watch a snake eat. Either live or pre-killed, although I prefer to feed my snakes f/t. I have fed a total of three live anoles, and it was cool to watch. Say what you want...thats the way it is. Didn't ENJOY killing it, but it made no difference to me. Never crossed my mind.

So let's not pretend!

Not pretended. Its just no one can comprehend what I mean when I say I ENJOY hunting and killing the aniamls makes no difference to me one way or another. Thats just the way I am.

I find that mildly offensive. I'm sorry if I'm being touchy but as a person with "mental disorders" that really struck a nerve. I am Bipolar and ADD. I am a person with TRUE mental disorders. I would prefer for you to word it a different way. As for spell check, so someone misspells a word bid deal it's not going to kill you. I really don't see a point to your post. I don't think it adds anything to the discussion at hand. I'm sorry If I'm a little rude.

AMEN!!! Rep for the Newbie!!!!

If we are going to be so adamant about loving and respecting all creatures great and small then I think we should at the very least have the same degree of love and respect towards our fellow human beings.

Thats EXCATLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!!!

 

[Wylie]

...
About the anole
1. It IS amazing to watch a snake eat. Either live or pre-killed, although I prefer to feed my snakes f/t. I have fed a total of three live anoles, and it was cool to watch. Say what you want...thats the way it is. Didn't ENJOY killing it, but it made no difference to me. Never crossed my mind.

Translation (I totally understand you, let me try to help the others understand your POV): As humans we sometimes enjoy seeing nature at work, what we are enjoying & admiring is the PROCESS, the process, the means, the way that the predator catches and eats his prey, like when the Cheetah sprints 60mph and brings down a big antelope, (just one example I could think of attm), some things like that are pretty amazing to watch, the speed at which the Cheetah gets his prey, the preciseness of the kill, etc. The law of nature can indeed be harsh, but that's just the way it is, that's reality. There are a lot of REALLY harsh things that happen in the wild (MUCH, MUCH, worse than what I described there) and many of us are just fascinated by that, it doesn't mean we're sick & sadistic, that is such narrow-minded thinking, the world is not black & white but rather many shades of grey.

There is a big difference between those who enjoy hunting and those who kill just for the sake of killing and watching an animal suffer or those people who are purposely cruel to animals. Then of course what is and what is not considered "cruel" is obviously going to depend on the person's individual perspective. A lot of acts of cruelty can be agreed upon but obviously not all acts can be agreed upon as to what is and what is not cruel. So here we have strong viewpoints whereby most in this thread consider feeding a snake a live mouse cruel. Sooo... yeah, as someone else already said, this is definitely a case of agree to disagree. But what I have trouble with is when one (or several, many) person so adamantly condemns another for having a different opinion or viewpoint to the point where it becomes just plain mean & hateful. We all aren't going to agree 100% of the time but we should at least try to respect one another's opinions and agree to disagree. We live in a world of a lot of controversy, that is for sure, here we are arguing about what is and what is not considered cruel or abusive, or neglectful concerning our snakes (and animals in general for that matter), we have the same issues with children these days with spankings and stuff like that. I would much rather see a world of love & respect for all rather than a world full of hate and intolerance.

 

[medusacoils]

OKAY....Here it is, one more time for you Medusa...

I guess you think I missed something?

1. I LOVE to hunt

That's Wonderful! MEEEEEE TOOOOOOO!!!!!

2. When you hunt, you kill animals.

Sometimes, but OK?

3. If I didn't kill animals, it wouldn't be hunting.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Do not pass GO! Do not collect $200!

Just and FYI. It's called hunting, not killing! Just like it's called fishing and not catching! :nyah:

4. So therefor, I enjoy the sport of hunting, which includes killing animals.

I SOOOOOO Understand You! I enjoy it, too! VERY MUCH!!

I am so glad that we got that squared away. I was soooo worried about that! PHEW!! oke:

About the anole
1. It IS amazing to watch a snake eat. Either live or pre-killed, although I prefer to feed my snakes f/t. I have fed a total of three live anoles, and it was cool to watch. Say what you want...thats the way it is. Didn't ENJOY killing it, but it made no difference to me. Never crossed my mind.

It is amazing to watch a snake eat. Funny thing is, that the majority of them do the same thing, whether F/T, Pre-Killed or Live. They all rear up, strike at, grab, constrict and then eat it!

So my question to you is, if the majority of them do that regardless of fact that the feeder is alive or dead, then why feed live?

Not pretended.

C'mon, do you really want me to do this? I have time. LOT'S OF TIME!! :devil01:

Its just no one can comprehend what I mean when I say I ENJOY hunting and killing the aniamls makes no difference to me one way or another. Thats just the way I am.

I can, I have and I do! I got you a long time ago. If you think I (we) are taking you out of context, then try not make snap answers, try to use emoticons and try to add levity into your posts. I would also stay away from comments like, "I enjoy killing deer! It makes me happy!"

Comments like that, can and will, show you in a manner, that you may not be intending!

Good Luck in all of your Endeavors!

Wayne

 

[medusacoils]

Translation (I totally understand you, let me try to help the others understand your POV): As humans we sometimes enjoy seeing nature at work, what we are enjoying & admiring is the PROCESS, the process, the means, the way that the predator catches and eats his prey, like when the Cheetah sprints 60mph and brings down a big antelope, (just one example I could think of attm), some things like that are pretty amazing to watch, the speed at which the Cheetah gets his prey, the preciseness of the kill, etc. The law of nature can indeed be harsh, but that's just the way it is, that's reality. There are a lot of REALLY harsh things that happen in the wild (MUCH, MUCH, worse than what I described there) and many of us are just fascinated by that, it doesn't mean we're sick & sadistic, that is such narrow-minded thinking, the world is not black & white but rather many shades of grey.

There is a big difference between those who enjoy hunting and those who kill just for the sake of killing and watching an animal suffer or those people who are purposely cruel to animals. Then of course what is and what is not considered "cruel" is obviously going to depend on the person's individual perspective. A lot of acts of cruelty can be agreed upon but obviously not all acts can be agreed upon as to what is and what is not cruel. So here we have strong viewpoints whereby most in this thread consider feeding a snake a live mouse cruel. Sooo... yeah, as someone else already said, this is definitely a case of agree to disagree. But what I have trouble with is when one (or several, many) person so adamantly condemns another for having a different opinion or viewpoint to the point where it becomes just plain mean & hateful. We all aren't going to agree 100% of the time but we should at least try to respect one another's opinions and agree to disagree. We live in a world of a lot of controversy, that is for sure, here we are arguing about what is and what is not considered cruel or abusive, or neglectful concerning our snakes (and animals in general for that matter), we have the same issues with children these days with spankings and stuff like that. I would much rather see a world of love & respect for all rather than a world full of hate and intolerance.

I didn't read this whole thing! Not sure if I need to. Probably the same shtuff you wrote the last time.

I highlighted the part I am going to concentrate on. You compared a corn eating a live Anole, to a Cheetah stalking, chasing and catching it's prey. The big difference I would like to point out, it:

THE CHEETAH IS NOT IN A LITTLE TANK! IT'S ACTUALLY WILD AND A MEMBER OF THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS. SOMETHING OUR SNAKES ARE IN NO WAY, A PART OF!

So now, let me help you try to understand what I meant:

Captive bred and kept snakes are not wild. They are kept in tanks, vivs or tubs. None of which are wild. They are fed captive bred rodents or lizards. None of which are wild. They will on occasion, see a vet. The majority of wild animals, don't. They are given fresh clean water daily, in a bowl. Wild animals drink out of other things. They sleep in hides that are made of plastic or paper. Wild animals, for the most part, don't. They poop on substrate. Wild animals poop in the woods. Need I say more.

I am sorry, but the wild aspect of the argument, does not apply.

If you want to see a wild animal, in action. Then go out into the woods, bring a camera and observe them. K!

Wayne

 

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I'm not sure if Wylie is trying to directly compare wild animals to captive animals. I think he is more along the lines trying to say that it's in human nature to be some what intrigued by nature's ways. It's true that feeding your corn in a tub is nothing like a wild snake catching prey but all the same I think all of us find it a little bit interesting to watch the behavior of another species. I feed F/T but am still captivated by my snakes grace, so to speak, when it "hunts" and coils around it's prey. Like people have said we are ALL going to have different opinions in one way or another and while I don't agree with feeding live as a person who is fascinated by nature and animals I can see where some people might find it intriguing when I find it some what cruel.

 

[COerriccaRN]

Wylie, you hit the nail on the head. Thanks. As for me this discussion is over.

Medusa, I will probably run outside, shoot some turtles (just to watch them drown slowly after shooting all their feet off), feed live anoles to ALL my snakes (and thouroughly enjoy the lizard writhing around), maybe skin some mice alived IDK...Something constructive.

Also, gotta argue that snakes DO NOT do the same thing when feeding live vs. pre killed. When Erricca (my classic) eats f/t she takes FOREVER. She bumps it all over with her nose, nudges it around, pokes it until FINALLY she decides to eat it. I throw a live anole in her tank and she turns into a different snake. I ENJOY watching calm, sweet little Erricca become a hunter for a few minutes. Its cute and cool to watch.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Do not pass GO! Do not collect $200!

Just and FYI. It's called hunting, not killing! Just like it's called fishing and not catching!

Actually...IF you hunt enough and can call your self an AVID hunter, you do and have killed things.

I DO NOT feel bad AT ALL for any game animal I kill. Never have, never will.

I WILL NOT feed my snakes live anoles anymore ONLY because I do not want them to not accept f/t food in the future.

I DO NOT regret the times I fed live anoles, and I would do it again if I felt like it.

 

[COerriccaRN]

I'm not sure if Wylie is trying to directly compare wild animals to captive animals. I think he is more along the lines trying to say that it's in human nature to be some what intrigued by nature's ways.

Excatly Congrats, YOU GOT IT!

It's true that feeding your corn in a tub is nothing like a wild snake catching prey but all the same I think all of us find it a little bit interesting to watch the behavior of another species.

Well, thank God. I was beginning to think I was the only "sadistic" and "sick" one arond here

Like people have said we are ALL going to have different opinions in one way or another and while I don't agree with feeding live as a person who is fascinated by nature and animals I can see where some people might find it intriguing

Why couldn't everyone be as understanding as you??? REP for you!!

when I find it some what cruel.

And I don't...but, wait....Wow, she isn't calling me sick, sadistic and pathetic. If I could double rep, I would. Very Mature!

 

[medusacoils]

Wylie, you hit the nail on the head. Thanks. As for me this discussion is over.

Medusa, I will probably run outside, shoot some turtles (just to watch them drown slowly after shooting all their feet off), feed live anoles to ALL my snakes (and thouroughly enjoy the lizard writhing around), maybe skin some mice alived IDK...Something constructive.

Also, gotta argue that snakes DO NOT do the same thing when feeding live vs. pre killed. When Erricca (my classic) eats f/t she takes FOREVER. She bumps it all over with her nose, nudges it around, pokes it until FINALLY she decides to eat it. I throw a live anole in her tank and she turns into a different snake. I ENJOY watching calm, sweet little Erricca become a hunter for a few minutes. Its cute and cool to watch.



Actually...IF you hunt enough and can call your self an AVID hunter, you do and have killed things.

I DO NOT feel bad AT ALL for any game animal I kill. Never have, never will.

I WILL NOT feed my snakes live anoles anymore ONLY because I do not want them to not accept f/t food in the future.

I DO NOT regret the times I fed live anoles, and I would do it again if I felt like it.

I should have realized a long time a go, that I was dealing with a child and an apparent troll! No wonder, you have been saying the things you were. It's all an attempt to goad REAL members of this forum, into a pissing match!

That's OK! I think at this point, there has been enough said!

Now, get going back to school, before your missed!!

Wayne

 

[COerriccaRN]

Now, get going back to school, before your missed!!

Actually, its college. And my job as a columist. So...no school for me!

It's all an attempt to goad REAL members of this forum, into a pissing match!

What I said above about the turtles and such was meant for someone with a sense of humor, most would find it funny considering the circumstances. But if it "goads" you, okay. Didn't mean it that way, but take it like you will.

 

[MedusaCorns]

 

[COerriccaRN]

I dont get the troll thing...seems dumb to me. But..whatever.

 

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I think it's suppose to lighten the mood and is directed and multiple people not just you COerriccaRN. I found it some what amusing...but then again I'm a little weird @.@

 

[COerriccaRN]

I think it's suppose to lighten the mood and is directed and multiple people not just you COerriccaRN. I found it some what amusing...but then again I'm a little weird @.@

Hehe, I have never even HEARD anyone call anyone else a troll, so...I didn't think it was aimed at anyone. Oh well, maybe I'm just over name calling...

 

[medusacoils]

Hehe, I have never even HEARD anyone call anyone else a troll, so...I didn't think it was aimed at anyone. Oh well, maybe I'm just over name calling...

Just to enlighten you. You can find the definition of troll, at this website. I know it's wikicrapia, but I checked it out and it's fairly accurate, this time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Troll: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]

Sounds about right!

Wayne