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Rumor I heard about Tesseras (sp?)

StrangeCargo said:
Just to clear everything up: TESSERAS ARE NOT HYBRIDS (period).... there is alot of incorrect information posted on the internet (about EVERY subject) by ill informed people. (There are RUMORS that someone has made Tessera creamsicles- Tessera X creamsicle- but I haven't seen pics of them or info on 'em.

Something for the hybrid forum people (it requires BASIC knowledge of genetics)- Think about how the Tessera gene works- You breed a Tessera to ANY corn and ~1/2 of the clutch comes out Tesseras in first generation.

I have the history posted on my website...Don S has the info/history on his site... and KJ posted a great write up about the history here on cs.com.

Hope that helps.
Graham
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Actually Graham, you prolly shouldn't say that "they are not hybrids", what you should say "is that there is no reason to believe that they are hybrids". Like others have said, it is impossible to "prove" non-hybrid status, heck even if originating from WC animals.

What we do know about tesseras, is that the non-tessera clutchmates from clutches with tesseras, have to date, shown no indication of being hybrids. There have been no "hybrid markers" or "throwback" animals produced from a tessera.
 
carnivorouszoo said:
Wow, I just wanted some info on the Tessera, not to start all this negativity. From now on I'll keep my mouth shut and just go "Duh, I dunno." Sheesh.
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I don't think the negativity is aimed at you! Just like Rich says, any time anything new appears, someone inevitably calls it a hybrid.

Rehashing the history is good info for, say, someone who is just learning about tessera for the first time.
 
carnivorouszoo said:
Wow, I just wanted some info on the Tessera, not to start all this negativity. From now on I'll keep my mouth shut and just go "Duh, I dunno." Sheesh.
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This certainly is not negativity, just good Ol' fashioned debate. This is the stuff I like to see and you can learn from. You want to see negativity go search some of the general chit chat forums.:twohammer
 
LOL thanks you two its hard to tell how things are meant on here, what I really meant was that I did not know it would get so heated. Made me think Whoa! What did I start?!!? Ya know? But really with stuff like this it sometimes makes me want to stick my head in the sand lol. But I really need to learn all of this if I want to breed corns, kings, milks and hybrids of these. I also typed out the I better run and hide message after getting a lecture about how you can not have any kind of animal and be living on a budget. It was on a fish forum because we were given a ten gallon tank. Sigh, at least snake folks don't say that! Anyway, I will ask my questions and try to remember I do not always have to respond lol!
 
The older I get, the more sad cross-generic hybridization makes me. I would beg you to reconsider doing, even though I have very few posts compared to most of you, I have been around the block. Anyway, from what I have read in this thread, and the resources linked therein, it doesn't appear that Tesseras are likely to be hybrids, and I'm really glad, because they look freakin' amazing to me!
 
mike17l said:
Actually .... you should say "is that there is no reason to believe that they are hybrids". Like others have said, it is impossible to "prove" non-hybrid status, heck even if originating from WC animals. QUOTE]

Yes Mike, That is MUCH better wording.... Thanks
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Rich Z said:
Sigh.... When was the last time something new showed up that WASN'T thought to be a hybrid by someone or another? ;)

I'll tell you, hybrids must be the cutting edge to be on since they tend to create ALL of the new stuff that comes around.... :grin01:
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LOL- yep Rich, you're right. I'm sure you've ran into this MANY MANY times...
 
carnivorouszoo said:
Wow, I just wanted some info on the Tessera, not to start all this negativity. From now on I'll keep my mouth shut and just go "Duh, I dunno." Sheesh.
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Hey Carnivorouszoo... I hope I didn't "sound" (kinda hard to understand someone's tne on online forums...lol..unless it's all caps) negative towards you- that was not my meaning. I was just helping to clear up bum information. Online forums are ment to bring people with similiar interests together to discuss and learn (well, at least most are)... we're just debating.. everyone says what they feel---- we all read through the info given---research it for ourselves---and each come up with our own personnal conclusions!

:cheers:
 
Nanci said:
I don't think the negativity is aimed at you! Just like Rich says, any time anything new appears, someone inevitably calls it a hybrid.

Rehashing the history is good info for, say, someone who is just learning about tessera for the first time.
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Well said Nanci!
 
Bloodreds, Sunkissed, Anery C, Terrazzo, Ultramel, AND Tesseras all have hybrid markers. That doesn't mean they are hybrids. But they have markers that could be hybrid. Most of them originated from a *insert other sp* X corn. Then were bred to a corn, then the siblings to another corn until you loose the influence from the king, milk, pit whatever.
 
Would you care to back that statement up with some historical facts, or proof if you will, David?
 
snakemaster24 said:
Bloodreds, Sunkissed, Anery C, Terrazzo, Ultramel, AND Tesseras all have hybrid markers. That doesn't mean they are hybrids. But they have markers that could be hybrid. Most of them originated from a *insert other sp* X corn. Then were bred to a corn, then the siblings to another corn until you loose the influence from the king, milk, pit whatever.
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David- That is a BOLD statement- especially coming from a person who doesn't even own a Tessera and is so new to keeping reptiles- I'd LOVE to hear your proof beacuse some of the nations TOP corn breeders own Tesseras (& the other morphs you listed) and they don't see these mysterious hybrid markers your speaking of... And really, BLOODREDS? Bloodreds were developed by Ed Leach from corns collected from an area north of Palatka, Fl. I don't even need to go into the stories of sunkissed or Anery C's....

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StrangeCargo said:
David- That is a BOLD statement- especially coming from a person who doesn't even own a Tessera and is so new to keeping reptiles- I'd LOVE to hear your proof beacuse some of the nations TOP corn breeders own Tesseras (& the other morphs you listed) and they don't see these mysterious hybrid markers your speaking of... And really, BLOODREDS? Bloodreds were developed by Ed Leach from corns collected from an area north of Palatka, Fl. I don't even need to go into the stories of sunkissed or Anery C's....

:twohammer
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I have been doing this 6 years. I'm not that new. I am not going to argue, BUT one of the nations top hybrid breeders was telling me about hybrid markers. And mentioned those genes. I will get some more info and post it. Enough said. I said hybrid markers, not proof yet.
 
You've been keeping snakes for 6 years yes, but not long ago you were asking very basic genetics questions, David. We *know* the origin of sunkissed! Absolutely know! It's not a hybrid and originated in okeetee lines. And because they are simple recessive genes, how on earth can they carry hybrid markers? Especially when the rest of the snake otherwise looks completely 'average joe'?
 
Shiari said:
You've been keeping snakes for 6 years yes, but not long ago you were asking very basic genetics questions, David. We *know* the origin of sunkissed! Absolutely know! It's not a hybrid and originated in okeetee lines. And because they are simple recessive genes, how on earth can they carry hybrid markers? Especially when the rest of the snake otherwise looks completely 'average joe'?
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Everyone asks questions. And I don't recall them being genetic. I am not going to get in an arguement I will ask Dan and see what he says.
 
Thats what I am doing Danielle. I am a little pissed off though thats why I am gonna just talk to Dan who knows his stuff about hybrids and corns.
 
Remember David Dan may be wrong, or mislead so don't believe everything you hear wholeheartedly. Take it as "talk" and be done with it:)
 
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