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stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be

Carpe Serpentis said:
Kokopelli, you are a god of fertility. I get that. See, the real problem is this, you are bringing in more snakes with defects such as kinks, wrong morphs, variations, and yes... even hybrid combinations that just aren't up to par. Now, I have a suggestion, if you would simply not give rise to these less than par subjects... make those eggs infertile, then there would be no culling. Culling is a very much debated topic and how to cull is also debated among many breeders and hybridizers alike. Mouse and rat hybridizers and breeders have an easy out with this. They sell their culls to people who own snakes. It is very cold and logical to do so and you could imagine how hard it is if you have ever been attached to something or someone. Many simply couldn't do it. They have to learn to detach. You could argue that these mice and rodents are living being and culling them for the snake hobby is unethical. Especially since these are rodents being bred for pets.
Snake hybridizers and breeders may utilize another snake to feed their culls to. The bottom line, culling is and has been done in one form or another since mankind began to domesticate or breed animals and plants as well. I'm with you on the idea that it is best to eliminate pain and suffering from all life. That is the ideal we all strive for. I am however pointing out the ugly truth that allows many hybridizers and breeders to stay above the rest of the competition. Freedom of religion for Native Americans by the way was not granted until 1978. The freedom of religion act was signed into act by President Jimmy Carter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Religious_Freedom_Act
I know these things because I know my religion.
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I am actually more inclined towards a Native American story I heard of him just being a story-teller rather than a God but whatever.

I personally oppose culling on certain grounds, though not all of them… I can stomach culling sick, wounded, defected animals whose quality of life has been compromised. But because the animal is sub-par visually due to the breeders' taste, or to control the amount of animals of a certain morph? God yes, I see a VERY clear distinction.​
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If he wishes to neuter his animals- that is his choice, though I'd NEVER condone the act nor would I ever deal with someone who does so.​
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BUT cutting off an organ without anesthetics or antibiotics is animal cruelty, period. This is not an opinion, this is causing unnecessary pain only to nurture some pseudo-moral notion.​
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Not informing the buyer is withholding vital information- that makes said seller dishonest.​
 
1. Being a veteran or my religion is not the point. The point is that in America, we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. We can speak freely. I am simply asking not to be denigrated for my opinion in a thread asking for my opinion.

2. Your comment stating that you realize this is because I am shoving my opinions down others throats.... You do realize that I am not doing that as you are free to leave the discussion at any time. No one is forcing you or any other person to participate. I am only asking that the disparaging remarks, tones, sarcasm, etc. that is pointed at individuals stop.

3. Your continued blaming the victim needs to stop. I realize you may not see that denigrating another for pointing out their opinion which is the actual thread topic of discussion as wrong, but I'd like you to please think about stopping to take a deep breath, and think about it. Try to set your emotions aside if you would for a brief moment.


Bonkers_Scar2011 said:
No, I do not agree with you. Your religion or being a Veteran has nothing to do with this thread. So I certainly do not have to thank you for being able to voice my opinion. Besides it is different where I grew up, people do not want to join the Army at all, and it's not something we are overly proud of if someone does (no dig at you Americans, just stating how it is here), so maybe I look at it differently. Kudos to you for serving though, but it doesn't change my opinion of you.

And I wasn't spoken to in a civil manner at all.

You do realise that most of this comes from your shoving opinions down our throats. Constantly repeating yourself. This thread was dead until you had to revive it, post constantly, etc. Besides, how come you are the person who is attacked most? Why is it so many people have a problem with your posting, including me?

Don't even know why I used Oh God, habit probably, I am not even religious, an Atheist even. So I do apologize for that.
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1. Well we do have freedom of speech here in Europe, so I will continue to state my opinion whether you like it or not. Just not in this thread any more. We will never see eye to eye anyway.

2. Yes, I have to agree with you and will put you on my ignore list now, should have done it already cause this is just a waste of time and time is precious!

3. And I still don't think you're a victim, just rather annoying. You might say the same about me, but you know what, tough! So grow up and stop whining about being made the "victim".

Carpe Serpentis said:
1. Being a veteran or my religion is not the point. The point is that in America, we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. We can speak freely. I am simply asking not to be denigrated for my opinion in a thread asking for my opinion.

2. Your comment stating that you realize this is because I am shoving my opinions down others throats.... You do realize that I am not doing that as you are free to leave the discussion at any time. No one is forcing you or any other person to participate. I am only asking that the disparaging remarks, tones, sarcasm, etc. that is pointed at individuals stop.

3. Your continued blaming the victim needs to stop. I realize you may not see that denigrating another for pointing out their opinion which is the actual thread topic of discussion as wrong, but I'd like you to please think about stopping to take a deep breath, and think about it. Try to set your emotions aside if you would for a brief moment.
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starsevol said:
Don't quite give a fig whether or not it helps my case, it is accuracy I was shooting for.
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That is abundantly clear as are the denigrating comments of others on this thread. If they gave a fig about free speech they would not try to silence it by repeatedly denigrating them, offering to silence them via mass group ignoring, etc. The bottom line is if you don't want to discuss something on a thread that is clearly titled, "stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be?" Then don't discuss it. You are all free to not discuss these things. But, don't ask a question as the topic of the thread and then get upset when another opinion pops up. :noevil: Please, don't denigrate a person over an opinion you don't like. :noevil:I like hybrids.
 
airenlow said:
Freedom of speech includes sarcasm...I think.
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WIN!

No one person gets to be lord and master over this thread.

Free forum to post in.

The only ones who can put exclusions are moderators and I'm not seeing blue on any names but theirs.

Mona was rightfully upset over a callous remark. She is also clearly stated she is not American and does not fully grasp some of the pride concepts we have.
 
Kokopelli said:
No... it would be a deal more humane not to breed them in the first place actually.

I have no idea on what scientific grounds you claim that the nerve ending is undeveloped and you keep ignoring the fact that I am opposing the fact that you do not use anesthetics nor antibiotics.

You want to play at mad scientist? go ahead, I guess I can't stop you- but I can certainly say you're practicing animal cruelty because you are not using anesthetics and antibiotics.

This is not about killing vs castrating- this is you severing organs without using anesthetics and antibiotics.
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Get off your high horse. Your people torture human male babies by circumcising them in the name of good health according to your religion. They are not giving pain killers during that time and the time of healing . Ruin the nerve ending's of the penis as you desensitize it leading to less of a orgasm. That is a proven fact and no choice if the guy wants to be circumcised or not. I watched that on TV. The poor baby screaming while it was being done and after the procedure. All in the name of religion

What about branding livestock thats humane I guess. No painkillers giving to the poor animal before or after, just stick a hot iron on there flesh for a 1/2 of a minuet and it takes 2 weeks to heal from the burn. No meds giving to animals labled organic. I watch it being done on TV too
 
ReptileGeek181 said:
Why is there so much animosity in this thread?
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Because, all threads that include Cohabitation of snakes, live feeding, hybridization, and a few topics that I know I am missing, get like this. It is the natural order of things around here.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and should realize that people are not going to always agree with it and will argue their point, just as much as the next person. Welcome to the human condition.
 
Outcast said:
Because, all threads that include Cohabitation of snakes, live feeding, hybridization, and a few topics that I know I am missing, get like this. It is the natural order of things around here.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and should realize that people are not going to always agree with it and will argue their point, just as much as the next person. Welcome to the human condition.
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I thought it was mostly adults on this forum, silly me lol.
 
Vinman said:
No problem from now on I'll just throw them in the freezer. I'm sure they will be in more pain that way and die for no reason Or feed them to another snake and they can suffer for a few minuets while they get squeezed to death or eaten alive. Now I hope that makes you happy. I think it would be a lot more humane to snip a hempine that is a undelvolped nerve ending than kill the poor thing
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So you are going to take your ball and go home, good. The better thing would be to not breed animals you will mame. If you are so concerned about purity and snakes getting in the wrong hands or snakes being devalued don't breed them.
 
Hate speech, denigrating others... how is that even logically a good thing?
If denigrating others is okay and the intent of denigrating another is to hurt them the same way that cursing or swearing is intended to do, then I am am deeply confused about the rules of this forum. You can hurt much more intensely with repeatedly bashing another person than you can with a single swear word. I don't have time for this right now, but I would like to ask three question.
How is hurting someone intentionally via repeatedly calling them stupid, making references to them being a character on charlie brown, etc. any different than simply cussing or swearing at them? Is the intent to hurt not the same? Is this allowed on this forum?
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/hatespeech.htm
I'd find more links for you, but I don't think they would help.
 
Who is starting the "why do you hate hybrids" thread? Then Carpe can ignore that thread while we bash his beloved hybirds...
 
Classic...
"Your people"... this was so poorly thought out... I'm not going to even bother.

Anyways- just as an FYI, allot of Jewish people opt for circumcision in hospitals… and guess what? The doctor applies local anesthetics and…wait for it… antibiotics!

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There are also studies showing the health benefits of this… it is by means obligatory though… only to people who want to, in the future, be wed by a Rabbi.

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BTW, the tip of the organ has nothing to do with the sensation of an orgasm- it MIGHT affect how quickly you reach that point- you're throwing stuff around and claiming them to be absolute facts but they really aren't.

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No, branding live-stock is definitely inhumane- so… the fact that there are cruel acts endorsed in the world that means it's OK to do the same? That's a very interesting concept but I have to disagree with it.​
 
Heck I'm hurt when people keep using the same word over and over to passively aggressively banter about a point, but you don't see me crying about it.

It makes me sad and I don't like it.

BUT IT'S FREE SPEECH! -gasp- The very same free speech you are whining about.

You can't sensor one thing and keep the other. That's not how it works.
 
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