What happens to a deer. (WARNING:Carnage shots)

[medusacoils]

As I mentioned in my previous post, I may not have the most popular answer. And, I may not always have my facts right, but whether an animal was inherently that way or manufactured that way, because of habitat/predation, point is, that they can be that way.

I still stick by my answer, they are a vermin. I don't hate the animal, because I realize that it is an animal. It is going to do what it is programmed to do, that is survive. And, if they want to chew on some little foofoo dog, then hey, have at it. But, a snake or dog, if either one of them decides to chew on one of my kids, then game on!!

Wayne

 

[*salAMANDA88*]

That's because we _like_ snakes!

I'm not damning yotes, I'm saying that in many areas they are a harvestable, renewable resource just like deer and geese and other game. One man's nuisance is another man's hundred dollar bill.

LOL..yeah..its not like I am saying.."hey go ahead and kill them all"..its just this one.
lol
and yes here in maine and in many other places..we could take many a season, and by this time next year their pop would have doubled.
so that and the poor condition our deer are in..well, we are just doing some good.
:eatpointe
:cheers:~~Amanda

 

[*salAMANDA88*]

if they want to chew on some little foofoo dog, then hey, have at it.

Wayne

LMFAO.....dude I would seriously feed little foofoo dogs to the coyotes..LOL..I hate little dogs..

Thats great..lol...

~~Amanda:cheers:

 

[Shiari]

I will bet that "80lb" coyote was actually either a coydog or a wolf hybrid which can look coyote like. My sister in law has a coydog that was found as a puppy in the hills. She has major issues with being confined but is a very intelligent and sweet creature.

Mistaking wolf-dogs for coyotes has happened before.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/coyote.asp

 

[*salAMANDA88*]

I will bet that "80lb" coyote was actually either a coydog or a wolf hybrid which can look coyote like. My sister in law has a coydog that was found as a puppy in the hills. She has major issues with being confined but is a very intelligent and sweet creature.

Mistaking wolf-dogs for coyotes has happened before.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/coyote.asp

Well no its really hard to tell here..we have Coy dogs, and most of the time you can tell that it is a coydog..and they are killed off whenever possible..
people dont want them around, and they cause so many problems...not just to people.
but the breeding between wild dogs..coydogs and coyotes is so deep sometimes..its hard to tell..sometimes its just a coyote acting funny thats not sick..its just a hybrid, but you cant tell just by looks..sometimes.
its kinda weird I guess....
~~Amanda:cheers:

 

[*salAMANDA88*]

but yeah...wolfdogs are another story..lol..
I cant imagine mistaken a wolf hybrid for a coyote..lol

 

[Brewster320]

I actually remember reading that there was a study of coyotes in new england and on their genetics. They found that a large percentage of new england coyotes have wolf genes in them and some coyotes in maine had as much as 80% wolf genes (which would make them more wolf then coyote really). They think this is because as all the wolves were wiped out by people, due to the lack of mates the last wolfs in new england began to interbreed with the coyote population which had began to sky rocket due to the disappearance of their rival. I'd think this would account as to why new england coyotes are larger than other populations of coyotes and why they seem to hunt in pack more often then usual. I'm sure this has happened in other places to due to the same factors. its an interesting concept if you as me.

 

[medusacoils]

but yeah...wolfdogs are another story..lol..
I cant imagine mistaken a wolf hybrid for a coyote..lol

I actually remember reading that there was a study of coyotes in new england and on their genetics. They found that a large percentage of new england coyotes have wolf genes in them and some coyotes in maine had as much as 80% wolf genes (which would make them more wolf then coyote really). They think this is because as all the wolves were wiped out by people, due to the lack of mates the last wolfs in new england began to interbreed with the coyote population which had began to sky rocket due to the disappearance of their rival. I'd think this would account as to why new england coyotes are larger than other populations of coyotes and why they seem to hunt in pack more often then usual. I'm sure this has happened in other places to due to the same factors. its an interesting concept if you as me.

Yes there is wolf genetics in the eastern coyote. I read a whole bunch about them, when tricksterpup pointed out that I was wrong about them being in packs. I try to get my info right, but sometimes I make a mistake.

Props to trickster

Well, here is some info on the eastern coyote regarding the coyote/wolf hybrid. Almost all eastern coyote genetics, contain wolf DNA.

http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wildlife/Wildlife_profiles/profile_eastern_coyote.htm


Good Luck, Good Reading and for goodness sake, good hunting!!

Wayne

 

[mynamesrick]

well... as long as these coyotes keep killing my cattle, deer, turkey's, phesants, and grouse i will continue to put them down. you may be right about them rarely bringing down cattle, but every season at least one, some times two calves are killed by coyotes. If they kill a bull calf, that can be a loss of over 1000$ because bulls are usually sold right away, and if they kill a heifer, that takes away that cow from producing baby's in the future for your herd.

 

[medusacoils]

well... as long as these coyotes keep killing my cattle, deer, turkey's, phesants, and grouse i will continue to put them down. you may be right about them rarely bringing down cattle, but every season at least one, some times two calves are killed by coyotes. If they kill a bull calf, that can be a loss of over 1000$ because bulls are usually sold right away, and if they kill a heifer, that takes away that cow from producing baby's in the future for your herd.

Damn Vermin!! :fullauto:

 

[mynamesrick]

haha you said it! i didnt really get into hunting until i was 13, because i grew up in the cities and my parents dont really hunt.. but before then i didnt even know there were coyotes in minnesota! haha

 

[tricksterpup]

well... as long as these coyotes keep killing my cattle, deer, turkey's, phesants, and grouse i will continue to put them down. you may be right about them rarely bringing down cattle, but every season at least one, some times two calves are killed by coyotes. If they kill a bull calf, that can be a loss of over 1000$ because bulls are usually sold right away, and if they kill a heifer, that takes away that cow from producing baby's in the future for your herd.

I understand the Cattle, but the other is its natural prey. What do you want them to eat? Apples?
We need to stop thinking about US and about the whole. Nature is not forever. Once its gone, we are next.
Like I said, we are invading their land, not the other way around.

 

[mynamesrick]

sorry i got a little carried away.. as i said before, i could care less about the deer and whatever, the cattle is what gets me going..

 

[medusacoils]

I understand the Cattle, but the other is its natural prey. What do you want them to eat? Apples?
We need to stop thinking about US and about the whole. Nature is not forever. Once its gone, we are next.
Like I said, we are invading their land, not the other way around.

Coyote's are fairly abundant and in some area's are more of a nuisance and cause more harm, than good. Since coyotes no longer have a natural predator ie wolves, we are responsible for controlling their numbers. If we do not, then consequences could be dire for us(humans) and other forms of wildlife! Protecting them, like an endangered species or something is out of the question! You cannot forget the natural order of things!

Wayne

 

[tricksterpup]

sorry i got a little carried away.. as i said before, i could care less about the deer and whatever, the cattle is what gets me going..

Thats fine but there was a program about Cattle ranchers out west and Wolves. It was an interesting program where this one ranch was trying to figure out and work with Wolves and their Cattle.
Its an interesting idea how the current pack in the area doesnt eat the cattle and keep out the unwanted packs that would.
But seriously, I think our culture really needs to find a way to not kill the predator but work with them and find new ways for us to co-exists. Sorry we are in a time of technology and education, why can we not find a way instead of resorting to old fashion ways of killing them off.

Mike,
We live in an interesting area, I think most people do not know about. I mean one day before the fall of the 35W bridge that summer I saw a Bald Eagle fly above it following the river. This bird was down town Mpls. Not to many large cities are this "wildlife" friendly.
Heck, the other week I saw a peregrine falcon soar about the Mpls court house, looking for pigeons.
We also locally have heard stories about Pumas being back in this state and migrating around the areas.

The wildlife is here, we have to accept it and figure out ways to live about them.
If this was as story about people killing Rattlesnakes in an urban area, we would be upset. Because we know what good they are and that they mainly do not bother people.
The same is with coyotes, its only a bad few. If we can catch them and relocate them. why not do that, spread them around.

Its up to your Generation to figure this stuff out and promote it and push for it. Its better to educate and find ways to make things work instead of working out ways to destroy things. Some of us are trying to do this now.. But we need the next generation to look at this with new eyes.

 

[tricksterpup]

Coyote's are fairly abundant and in some area's are more of a nuisance and cause more harm, than good. Since coyotes no longer have a natural predator ie wolves, we are responsible for controlling their numbers. If we do not, then consequences could be dire for us(humans) and other forms of wildlife! Protecting them, like an endangered species or something is out of the question! You cannot forget the natural order of things!

Wayne

Wayne,
again this is the old attitude, why not find a solution that is better for everything. instead of a win loose situation make it a Win Win situation.

 

[Brewster320]

Coyote's are fairly abundant and in some area's are more of a nuisance and cause more harm, than good. Since coyotes no longer have a natural predator ie wolves, we are responsible for controlling their numbers. If we do not, then consequences could be dire for us(humans) and other forms of wildlife! Protecting them, like an endangered species or something is out of the question! You cannot forget the natural order of things!

Wayne

I find that very true. We wiped out all the wolves and cougars that used to hunt and compete with the coyotes. In the past the wolves and cougars would kill any coyotes they found in there home range and then competion between these predators would keep all of there populations from getting to large and wiping out all the prey species. Now that we've killed off the last wolves and cougars from the east coast the coyotes have nothing to keep them in check and their population just keeps growing. I'd be nice if we could re-interduce these two top predators to the east coast, but realisticly everyone knows we can't. So it should be up to us to do what a wolf, a cougar, and natural competion between predators would do to the coyote poulation. I hate killing animals for no reasons but sometimes it has to be done.

 

[medusacoils]

Wayne,
again this is the old attitude, why not find a solution that is better for everything. instead of a win loose situation make it a Win Win situation.

I don't see it as a win loose situation. Hunting is a win win situation. If you take a nuisance animal and relocate it, do you really believe this is solving a problem, or just moving it to someone else's neighborhood. These animals can range over 70 square miles. At least with hunting, it is a self sufficient sport, that uses very little outside monies to sustain itself. Who is going to fund a costly relocation program?

Hunting has proven to be the most cost effective way to control animal populations time and time again. Listen, I respect your view and if you disagree that hunting isn't a viable method of population control, then fine. Then I disagree with you! If you think it is a viable method of population control, then you can't be picky! It either works with all species or with none. In fact, every animal that has a season and bag limit and is protected by regulation, is thriving in the united states.

Wayne

 

[tricksterpup]

In fact, every animal that has a season and bag limit and is protected by regulation, is thriving in the united states.

Wayne

But Coyotes are listed in MN as a regulated animal to hunt. Actually from what I see, you can not even cull them as a nuisance animal. If you did, you would still need to contact the DNR after the animal has been killed. But somewhere I saw that they are trapped but I can not find any regulations on this.

Taking a nuisance animal

Nuisance animals are wildlife (not domesticated animals like dogs or cats) that cause property damage. Some animals which are normally protected by Minnesota Statute can be taken without a license or permit if they are doing damage. The animals included under this provision of Minnesota law include: mink, squirrels, rabbit, hare, raccoon, lynx, bobcat, fox, muskrat, opossum and beaver. Other unprotected birds include the English sparrow, starling, and common pigeon. All of these animals may be taken by the landowner, manager or occupant if the animal is causing property damage.

When taking protected nuisance animals, notify a Conservation Officer within 24 hours. Please refer any inquiries you may have regarding this list to the DNR Information Center. What does "taking" mean? Taking means capturing, relocating or killing a nuisance animal. This can be done in any manner except by the use of poison, artificial lights or with a motor vehicle. The most common methods for taking an animal would be with a firearm or bow and arrow. These methods, however, cannot be used everywhere. A person should consult local laws before applying controls.

In many urban areas or areas regulated by local ordinance, an individual may be restricted to live trapping. Many of the pages here will give suggestions as to how this is best accomplished. Once the animal is caught, a person may choose to destroy or relocate the animal. If one chooses to relocate a captured wild animal, it should be relocated 10 to 15 miles from where it was captured in order to ensure that it does not return. It is necessary to obtain permission from the governing agency or landowner before releasing the animal. Remember to consult local laws before applying controls.

 

[tricksterpup]

I don't see it as a win loose situation. Hunting is a win win situation.
Wayne

When I said Win Loose, I meant win for us, loose for the animal.