What happens to a deer. (WARNING:Carnage shots)

[medusacoils]

But Coyotes are listed in MN as a regulated animal to hunt. Actually from what I see, you can not even cull them as a nuisance animal. If you did, you would still need to contact the DNR after the animal has been killed. But somewhere I saw that they are trapped but I can not find any regulations on this.

I am not sure what you are getting at with this quoted post you made or what it has to do with, what I was saying? Sorry!

Aside from that;

The law may be different in MN, then in NH. In NH they actually have no bag limit or season. In NH, they are considered a nuisance animal or Vermin (is what one game warden called affectionately called them). They have no season so to speak and can be taken by any means, with the exception of poisoning. But, they are thriving and plentiful! So how is the animal losing? An individual animal may lose it's life, but in the bigger picture, that is probably helping. One less mouth to feed! More food for the ones that remain.



Wayne

 

[JustineNYC]

Amazing how people here are.. we damn coyotes for possibly attacking dogs but if it was a large Australian snake we need to keep our eyes on our pets and children.

Folks, pure and simple, this is an animal that should be protected. We are the invaders and not the other way around. These animals do more good than harm in the long run by eating rodents and other pest animals. Coyotes rarely bring down Cattle. They are just a small predator. If they do bring one down, its usually due to it being sick or other reasons.
Actually, feral dogs cause more harm to local residents than coyotes do. Usually, its a feral dog that has done the wrong and not the coyote.

We need to start focusing ways on finding a way to co-exsist with these animals instead of killing them. Our world is at a stand point where we are causing more mass extinctions at a faster rate than a asteroid did.

As for Coyotes being solitary animals, that is a huge myth. They used to be pack animals until we came in and started to kill them and take bounties on them. They turned around and adapted a social behavior of living solo in many areas and it has worked.

To many Native American cultures, this animal was a teacher and a guide. they respected this animal and I think we should learn some thing from them.

<Applause>
Great post!!!! ITA!

 

[JustineNYC]

Hunting is an incredibly viable solution to wildlife overpopulation-- much more so than fencing, trap-and-remove or that God awful waste of money "birth control" that PETA touts.

This sentence makes me laugh, especially with whats in the headlines lately. Hunting is a solution to wildlife overpopulation? What is our solution to HUMAN overpopuation, cause that where this problem lies.

We arent that far from the worlds population reaching between 9 and 11 billion, they are saying it is going to come sooner then they originally thought. We need these animals.

If you do not have a better solution to invading their land and shooting them because you call it overpopulation, we shouldnt be building in their habitat, period.

Talk about overpopulation, what about these moronic women who have 8 to 15 kids? They tie right in with this problem. Why should the animals be shot?

 

[JustineNYC]

I understand the Cattle, but the other is its natural prey. What do you want them to eat? Apples?
We need to stop thinking about US and about the whole. Nature is not forever. Once its gone, we are next.
Like I said, we are invading their land, not the other way around.

We are invading their land and overpopulating ours. 99% of the worlds population produce offspring, some of them as I mentioned above, feel the need to produce over and over between the time they menstruate and the time they can no longer concieve. Sometimes that is 15+ children.

Lets all have 15 kids and see how fast we are kicking ourselves for killing animals because there are too many.

Its already started to happen. All it takes is one prominant animal with an important role in the cycle (like bees) to go extinct, and the rest will domino effect.

Animals are going to start to eat things they normally wouldnt because there is no more of what they would normally eat left.

 

[mynamesrick]

The law may be different in MN, then in NH. In NH they actually have no bag limit or season. In NH, they are considered a nuisance animal or Vermin (is what one game warden called affectionately called them). They have no season so to speak and can be taken by any means, with the exception of poisoning.

Same rules apply in minnesota.

 

[medusacoils]

<Applause>
Great post!!!! ITA!

I get a kick out of "anti's"! I cannot for the life of me, understand how you would put nature, in charge of population control! Hunting is far less cruel then nature can and will be. Plus, people who hunt, can and will use their kill as sustenance! What does nature do with it?

Well, the occasional scavenger will come by. Some infected with diseases and feed off the dead animal, spreading the disease. Potentially causing an epidemic which could, in turn affect you or even worse, me. The animal isn't completely eaten before it rots and becomes the breeding ground of millions of insects and bacteria carrying flies. Which then return to nature, looking for the next kill, kitchen or hiker!

I see far too much benefit from hunting, then the alternative. It's a "WIN WIN" situation for both species, and the hunter. It generates millions of dollars in revenue, which is always good for our economy. It feeds hundreds of thousands of people, each year (I always donate part of my kill and the hide to help the needy(hides for habitat!). It controls population and helps keep animal v vehicle collisions to a minimum. My family eats well for the winter!

I can keep going with this, if you want!

Wayne

PS. Maybe we should figure a way to feed our snakes soy or spinach or something?? Poor mice, rats or whatever. It's an automatic win(for snake) loose(for mousy) situation for them. At least coyote's and deer have a sporting chance!

 

[jenneses]

Thats fine but there was a program about Cattle ranchers out west and Wolves. It was an interesting program where this one ranch was trying to figure out and work with Wolves and their Cattle.
Its an interesting idea how the current pack in the area doesnt eat the cattle and keep out the unwanted packs that would.
But seriously, I think our culture really needs to find a way to not kill the predator but work with them and find new ways for us to co-exists. Sorry we are in a time of technology and education, why can we not find a way instead of resorting to old fashion ways of killing them off.

Mike,
We live in an interesting area, I think most people do not know about. I mean one day before the fall of the 35W bridge that summer I saw a Bald Eagle fly above it following the river. This bird was down town Mpls. Not to many large cities are this "wildlife" friendly.
Heck, the other week I saw a peregrine falcon soar about the Mpls court house, looking for pigeons.
We also locally have heard stories about Pumas being back in this state and migrating around the areas.

The wildlife is here, we have to accept it and figure out ways to live about them.
If this was as story about people killing Rattlesnakes in an urban area, we would be upset. Because we know what good they are and that they mainly do not bother people.
The same is with coyotes, its only a bad few. If we can catch them and relocate them. why not do that, spread them around.

Its up to your Generation to figure this stuff out and promote it and push for it. Its better to educate and find ways to make things work instead of working out ways to destroy things. Some of us are trying to do this now.. But we need the next generation to look at this with new eyes.

JimEpoo, I agree with you 100%!

I find myself amazed and awed when I see wild creatures walking through urban areas and admire the adaptability of nature. Seeing a fox or coyote walk across a highway at 5am in the morning or seeing a tree grow in the middle of an abandoned house evokes a feeling which I can't accurately put into words. It's greater than awe and admiration.

 

[tricksterpup]

Same rules apply in minnesota.

I couldnt find any rules on this at the DNR site. So, I am not a 100% sure. I know a friend of mine goes up to South Dakota and hunts them but does not do here in this state.

 

[mynamesrick]

We arent that far from the worlds population reaching between 9 and 11 billion, they are saying it is going to come sooner then they originally thought. We need these animals.

so are you saying we are going to run out of animals to eat?

 

[medusacoils]

This sentence makes me laugh, especially with whats in the headlines lately. Hunting is a solution to wildlife overpopulation? What is our solution to HUMAN overpopuation, cause that where this problem lies.

We arent that far from the worlds population reaching between 9 and 11 billion, they are saying it is going to come sooner then they originally thought. We need these animals.

If you do not have a better solution to invading their land and shooting them because you call it overpopulation, we shouldnt be building in their habitat, period.

Talk about overpopulation, what about these moronic women who have 8 to 15 kids? They tie right in with this problem. Why should the animals be shot?

Are you suggesting that they open up a human hunting season? That's just crazy!!

 

[mynamesrick]

I couldnt find any rules on this at the DNR site. So, I am not a 100% sure. I know a friend of mine goes up to South Dakota and hunts them but does not do here in this state.

UNPROTECTED ANIMALS
Residents and nonresidents are not required to have a license to take
unprotected species
including coyote. Nonresidents do not need a furbearer
hunting license in addition to their small game license to hunt fox.
Unprotected Mammals
Weasels, coyotes, gophers,
porcupines,
striped skunks, and all
other mammals
for which there are no closed seasons or other protection
are unprotected
animals. They may be taken in any manner,
except with the aid of artificial lights or by using a motor vehicle to
drive, chase, run over, or kill the animal. Poisons may not be used
except in accordance with all label regulations
of the state

thats in the minnesota hunting and trapping regulations handbook.

 

[mynamesrick]

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/regulations/hunting/2008/full_regs.pdf

here's a link.. its page 25

 

[tricksterpup]

so are you saying we are going to run out of animals to eat?

No, but there is a possiblity of us loosing our natural resources. This can be from pollution, man moving into areas where the wildlife live, ect.

Lets take for example many of the Large MN snakes, bulls, black rats and even the Timber Rattler. These guys are disappearing more and more. Heck even Garters are slowly vanishing from the outskirts of the cities. They are no longer in the numbers they once were.
Heck, When was the last time you sat outside and seen lighting bugs light up your yard? I can tell you those days have been very few. I only live a few miles from you and I get excited when I see one.
we will always have cows, chickens, and other barn yard animals but will we still have wolves? Bears? The numbers are coming back up but they are still on the fence and can fall off in a bad way.

I am not totally disagreeing with Hunting. I agree, the main urban cockroach is the deer. But why is that? well we killed off the Bear, the wolf and bob cats. So we have to step up and start to take care of those populations. But if we learn to do Land Management, maybe we do not have to do so much culling.

 

[JustineNYC]

I get a kick out of "anti's"! I cannot for the life of me, understand how you would put nature, in charge of population control! Hunting is far less cruel then nature can and will be. Plus, people who hunt, can and will use their kill as sustenance! What does nature do with it?

Well, the occasional scavenger will come by. Some infected with diseases and feed off the dead animal, spreading the disease. Potentially causing an epidemic which could, in turn affect you or even worse, me. The animal isn't completely eaten before it rots and becomes the breeding ground of millions of insects and bacteria carrying flies. Which then return to nature, looking for the next kill, kitchen or hiker!

I see far too much benefit from hunting, then the alternative. It's a "WIN WIN" situation for both species, and the hunter. It generates millions of dollars in revenue, which is always good for our economy. It feeds hundreds of thousands of people, each year (I always donate part of my kill and the hide to help the needy(hides for habitat!). It controls population and helps keep animal v vehicle collisions to a minimum. My family eats well for the winter!

I can keep going with this, if you want!

Wayne

PS. Maybe we should figure a way to feed our snakes soy or spinach or something?? Poor mice, rats or whatever. It's an automatic win(for snake) loose(for mousy) situation for them. At least coyote's and deer have a sporting chance!

I get a kick out of men who dress in camo, paint their face green and sit in a tree stand at 5am to blow an animals brains out.

Animals kill when they need to eat. Humans hunt because its a "fun sport" I live in North Carolina, its very popular here.

If you are hungry there are plenty of carcasses wasting away in the meat section at Food Lion. Leave the deer in your yard alone. How much sense does it make to go out and kill something thats living, when the store already has animals that have been killed for you.

BTW, your last statement makes no sense. You have a thread where people are complaining Coyotes are eating things they are suppose to eat. MY argument should have been "Maybe we should feed our snakes spinach" Not yours.

The population you speak of, and animal collision accidents, you speak of, you dont seem to understand. I find it incredibly unlikely that our human population is growing rapidly, and so are the animals we feed off of? I dont think so. Especially with the climate change.

You CANNOT invade a widespread piece of land, build on it, bulldoze woods, and push animals that would have lived in a 60 mile wide town, and force them onto a piece of land the size of a football field and go "OH! See, they are overpopulated!" Their overpopulated on that because they should be living on something 80 times bigger and YOU took it away.

 

[tricksterpup]

thats in the minnesota hunting and trapping regulations handbook.

Thanks but I gotta tell you, when was the last time you saw a porcupine roaming around MN.
These animals may be fewer in numbers due to habitat loss but still are not the favorite among humans so they are not protected.

Unprotected Mammals
Weasels, coyotes, gophers,porcupines,striped skunks

Most these animals listed except for the gophers and porcupines eat and kill small rodents that cause humans problems. Get rid of these and then we have more problems with Rodents.

 

[Brewster320]

I am not totally disagreeing with Hunting. I agree, the main urban cockroach is the deer. But why is that? well we killed off the Bear, the wolf and bob cats. So we have to step up and start to take care of those populations. But if we learn to do Land Management, maybe we do not have to do so much culling.

Its a beautiful idea that I'd rather seen then having to cull the animals but realistically we can't just go and release a wolf pack into a boston suburb now can we. Thats why culling is the best we can do for over population in some areas.

 

[JustineNYC]

so are you saying we are going to run out of animals to eat?

Im saying the cycle of this planet is a very precious thing and every little thing has a place in that, some are more important then others. Who would have thought something like bees would be so detrimental to our planets existance?

If bees go extinct, they believe the planet will only be viable another 4 years.

 

[JustineNYC]

Are you suggesting that they open up a human hunting season? That's just crazy!!

Its not that crazy when the animals are more intelligent then we are.

 

[medusacoils]

I get a kick out of men who dress in camo, paint their face green and sit in a tree stand at 5am to blow an animals brains out.



Animals kill when they need to eat. Humans hunt because its a "fun sport" I live in North Carolina, its very popular here.

So because I choose to take an animal, by a legal method that automatically means that I enjoy killing. Sorry but NO! I have never enjoyed taking any animals life! I do enjoy the sport of the chase though!

If you are hungry there are plenty of carcasses wasting away in the meat section at Food Lion. Leave the deer in your yard alone. How much sense does it make to go out and kill something thats living, when the store already has animals that have been killed for you.

So as long as some "other" animal is killed, then I have no right to choose what I eat. The life of a cattle if worth far less, then that of a deer? Is that what you are saying? Well, at least a coyote or deer have a sporting chance before they have their brains blown out!! I have NEVER shot a deer in the head!

BTW, your last statement makes no sense. You have a thread where people are complaining Coyotes are eating things they are suppose to eat. MY argument should have been "Maybe we should feed our snakes spinach" Not yours.

what??

The population you speak of, and animal collision accidents, you speak of, you dont seem to understand. I find it incredibly unlikely that our human population is growing rapidly, and so are the animals we feed off of? I dont think so. Especially with the climate change.

It's a fact! Every animal that is hunted and supported by hunters and their monies, are seeing an incline in their numbers. I don't know where you got your info from. Did you just make it up??

You CANNOT invade a widespread piece of land, build on it, bulldoze woods, and push animals that would have lived in a 60 mile wide town, and force them onto a piece of land the size of a football field and go "OH! See, they are overpopulated!" Their overpopulated on that because they should be living on something 80 times bigger and YOU took it away.

I am sorry, but your entire argument makes no sense. It's the same drivel that organizations like PETA and HSUS have been spewing for years. All of which has been proven false by study and evidence. It's time to stop listening to the rhetoric and start reading.

Wayne

 

[mynamesrick]

Animals kill when they need to eat. Humans hunt because its a "fun sport" I live in North Carolina, its very popular here.

true.. to some extent. humans do hunt for the fun of it.. but its not like we just kill the animal and leave it in the field to rot. we butcher the animal, so we can eat! ever have venison? its great!

If you are hungry there are plenty of carcasses wasting away in the meat section at Food Lion. Leave the deer in your yard alone. How much sense does it make to go out and kill something thats living, when the store already has animals that have been killed for you.

good point, but when you kill a deer, you typicaly get about 45% of the deer's weight(gutted and everything) in meat. if you have a field dressed deer that weighed 150lbs(thats a pretty big animal by the way), you would get about 70 lbs of meat. how much would 70bs of meat cost you at the grocery store? a heck of alot more than the 27$ an archery license would cost.