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ACLU... I hate you.

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You said grow up or kill yourself. I don't remember the EXACT words, but I don't see how that can be twisted into ANYTHING other than you saying i should say things YOU think are "grown up ideals" or die and get out of the way of you saying what you want without argument.

You can TWIST your meaning into whatever you want, but I don't think you can make many people believe you meant anything defensible at all by that statement. Heck, I don't think many of us have heard THAT type of argument tactic since 2nd grade.

Well...let's break it down...What I said was exactly this:

"Grow up...or kill yourself. Either way the world will be better off..."

So break it down, piece by piece--"Grow up", as in, stop posting worthless driovel with no better intention other than to incite anger and inflame people. That's what you do, and you're good at it, but at it's heart it is childish and cowardly. So grow up.

Next piece--"...or kill yourself." *Most* sane people can clearly recognize this as a facetious addition to the statement "grow up". While it was not intended to be considered as a serious option...your own problem if you took it as such. The implication made by the statement is one of sarcasm, not physical threat. Of course, by twisting it, you can make it appear as though I threatened you. Barely, and thinly veiled as it may be, if you and Brent keep yelling about...you might actually convince someone other than yourself.

Last Pice--"Either way the world will be better off..." True. It would. Of course, most sane people immediately understand the intent of the phrase is sarcasm. Mean, yes...but sarcastic.

But like most "debates" that you participate in...you will ignore the logic and truth of the matter in favor of the idea that there is a conspiracy against you and that I, somehow, intend to physically harm you. Self persecution is a wonderful thing. Fits neatly with your paranoia. Neither one make any sense, and neither one are founded in any semblance of reality, but then again...I suspect that reality is something you are barely able to grasp, so...I guess it works for you.

Good luck with that. Don't have a heart attack fighting off the swarms of angry liberals that are out to get you, and steal everything you've worked for. I think I hear a knock at your door...
 
An important question might be, "What has the ACLU done in the past decade or so that was beneficial to the constitution and did make sense to honest people?"

Right here. Your words. A DIRECT implication that anyone who agreed with any issue the ACLU took up within the last decade was dishonest and unConstituional.

A very thinly veiled insult, to be sure. But a direct implication and insult. Falls right in line with all of your other generalized and broad insults of any liberal that you've made repeatedly over the last several weeks.

But, like you...I was a "big boy" and ignored them. Aren't you proud of me?

We need a larger selection of emoticons. Something more sarcastic, so poor KJUN doesn't have to struggle for comprehension...
 
Find where I said such a thing. My, God. Do you really make up something and then convince yourself that it is the truth? ...or do you just pretend and act like you believe the statements you make up from thin air. Either way, I'm concerned about your well being. That's part of the reason I ignore most of what you say. I'm tired of you pretending to be less than stable.
I'm beginning to think that you ignore most of what I say because first it would require you to check facts and read something other than a conspiracy site for your information, and secondly...I'm fairly convinced it's starting to make your brain hurt. You can't even keep track of your own words, how could I expect you to keep track of anyone else's?

It's no wonder you're so confused... I'll make it simple...ignore me. Click that little button that allows you to never even see the posts I make. The headaches will go away and your conspiracy theories will suddenly make sense to you again, and everything will be peachy in KJUN-land.

Did you hear a knock on the door??
 
{ahem}

Have a nice day! :)

Dale

OK! You too.

D80

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Hey Brent...if my sole contributions to this thread were little more than blatant attempts to insult the participants, I could keep my post count to 4 or 5 too...

So what's your point? Looks to me like the people with the highest post counts are the ones that were actually making an effort to participate in an adult discussion about important current events.

Ironically...the other two that you so helpfully put into bold face have made posts that contributed nothing more than efforts to incite anger IN those participants.

So...what was your point again?:crying:
 
I'm sorry but I"m with KJUN on that one Chris. If someone has said "Grow up, or kill yourself. Either way the world would be better off". I would find VERY offensive, and if I had seen that post, I would have reported it myself even if it hadn't been directed at me. I seen nothing facetious or sarcastic about that comment and find it truly bothersome that a supposed sane adult would spew such sentiment towards another.
 
Let's hold up there for a second. Every statement I've made has been FULLY supported by facts. Yours, on the other hand, have been fully supported by fringe lunatics, conspiracy theorists, and the same liars that started the garbage in the first place.

I would NEVER say that your statements have been held up by facts! In the place where this thread has strayed, it is pretty hard to use facts. Just opinions. and i would never call people with COMMON SENSE fring lunatics conspiracy theorists and liars. For instance the tea partys: those weren't fringe lunatics, just your common hard working americans. Just like the when over 1 million people marched up penn. ave to protest what there government was doing. They weren't conspiracy theorists, just regular people outraged at there government.


BTW...did you happen to notice that it is a conservative republican that put California where it is?
Shwartz. is a rhino, and the way he is running that government, i think that he is nowhere near being "conservative".


I reported your post for saying that anyone who has any alignment with the ACLU over the last 10 years is dishonest and unAmerican.
Did he say that? NO. the people might not be dishonest, and most of them probably do not know what they are doing to the nation. They have good intentions. The orginizion is unamerican, yes. But not its workers that are on the low half of the totem pole. The head is the branch that knows what their doing.


Those are direct insults. That's against the rules.
Ummmm,,,,, i don't know what world your living in if you thought that was meant as an INSULT towards the personnel of ACLU. I would say its an insult to the actions and head of the company. But its not personal.

you've turned a little sarcasm into a full blown threat of physical violence.
Its pretty hard to hear sarcasm over the internet. Before now i don't recall you ever saying that you were being sarcastic.

Bottom line, KJUN, is that you can twist words however you want
He's not "twisting words." You said out loud that you wanted him to kill himself. Thats that.

Them twisted panties gettin' in the way?
Going back to insults are we.... Or is it sarcasm again?

Oooohh....twice in 2 years?

What about when that other "one" actually resigned?

Well...let's break it down...What I said was exactly this:

"Grow up...or kill yourself. Either way the world will be better off..."

So break it down, piece by piece--"Grow up", as in, stop posting worthless driovel with no better intention other than to incite anger and inflame people. That's what you do, and you're good at it, but at it's heart it is childish and cowardly. So grow up.

Next piece--"...or kill yourself." *Most* sane people can clearly recognize this as a facetious addition to the statement "grow up". While it was not intended to be considered as a serious option...your own problem if you took it as such. The implication made by the statement is one of sarcasm, not physical threat. Of course, by twisting it, you can make it appear as though I threatened you. Barely, and thinly veiled as it may be, if you and Brent keep yelling about...you might actually convince someone other than yourself.

Last Pice--"Either way the world will be better off..." True. It would. Of course, most sane people immediately understand the intent of the phrase is sarcasm. Mean, yes...but sarcastic.

But like most "debates" that you participate in...you will ignore the logic and truth of the matter in favor of the idea that there is a conspiracy against you and that I, somehow, intend to physically harm you. Self persecution is a wonderful thing. Fits neatly with your paranoia. Neither one make any sense, and neither one are founded in any semblance of reality, but then again...I suspect that reality is something you are barely able to grasp, so...I guess it works for you.

Good luck with that. Don't have a heart attack fighting off the swarms of angry liberals that are out to get you, and steal everything you've worked for. I think I hear a knock at your door...

THIS is worthless drivel. In THIS post you are twisting words to get your effect. THIS post is intended to make anger.
 
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THIS is worthless drivel. In THIS post you are twisting words to get your effect. THIS post is intended to make anger.
is not meant as a personal attack or insult. I'm just throwing your own words back at'cha. So there's no need to report it.
 

Well, I think the article was written from a biased perspective, but that's going to be very difficult to avoid.

At least the land transfer will take it off of public land. I don't know that I like the "donut hole" effect this has on a National Park, but that's nit picking. Really, as long as the land it's on becomes private, and it is maintained privately, my sense of "justice" is satisfied.

I just hope they don't start cutting out chunks of NPS land to trade with private entities for other purposes. There is still a fairly dangerous precedant being set as to how our public lands are controlled, but definitely not as easily exploitable as other precedants could have been...
 
Hey Brent...if my sole contributions to this thread were little more than blatant attempts to insult the participants, I could keep my post count to 4 or 5 too...
Hey sparky, that might be a good idea for ya. That way you wouldn't have to type so much in order to blatantly insult the participants.

I'm sorry but I"m with KJUN on that one Chris. If someone has said "Grow up, or kill yourself. Either way the world would be better off". I would find VERY offensive, and if I had seen that post, I would have reported it myself even if it hadn't been directed at me. I seen nothing facetious or sarcastic about that comment and find it truly bothersome that a supposed sane adult would spew such sentiment towards another.
Don't forget, he's done it twice now:
Drizzt, I wrote a whole bunch of stuff in reply to you, and finally decided that you are simply not only a waste of flesh, but a waste of time. You're welcome to join KJUN, anytime you'd like.
He should think about working for the new government health care program! "Hey, you should just go kill yourself. Have a nice day."

D80
 
Well, I think the article was written from a biased perspective, but that's going to be very difficult to avoid.

At least the land transfer will take it off of public land. I don't know that I like the "donut hole" effect this has on a National Park, but that's nit picking. Really, as long as the land it's on becomes private, and it is maintained privately, my sense of "justice" is satisfied.

I just hope they don't start cutting out chunks of NPS land to trade with private entities for other purposes. There is still a fairly dangerous precedant being set as to how our public lands are controlled, but definitely not as easily exploitable as other precedants could have been...
Yep, I noticed the bias, but I'm on nightshifts so this is like 5.30 am for me and that was the best link I could find! Sounds like a fairly workable solution can be found.
 
I would NEVER say that your statements have been held up by facts! In the place where this thread has strayed, it is pretty hard to use facts. Just opinions. and i would never call people with COMMON SENSE fring lunatics conspiracy theorists and liars. For instance the tea partys: those weren't fringe lunatics, just your common hard working americans. Just like the when over 1 million people marched up penn. ave to protest what there government was doing. They weren't conspiracy theorists, just regular people outraged at there government.
Dude, where are you on this? In my post to KJUN, I was referring to posts he made in other topics that were based on lies that conservatives started(the Obama speech), and conspiracy theories of illegal immigrants, indigents, and "lazy theives" getting free medical care on KJUN's dollar. The things that he was posting as support for his arguments were unfounded guesses made my conservative pundits and conspiracy theorists for the most part. The whole Obama Youth thread was started because of a bold faced lie made by a conservative pundit. THAT'S what I was talking about. I don't know what you're talking about...


Shwartz. is a rhino, and the way he is running that government, i think that he is nowhere near being "conservative".
I don't like the man either. What's your point? Doesn't matter what you think of him...he's still "labled" as a conservative republican...

Did he say that? NO. the people might not be dishonest, and most of them probably do not know what they are doing to the nation. They have good intentions. The orginizion is unamerican, yes. But not its workers that are on the low half of the totem pole. The head is the branch that knows what their doing.
Listen...implications are what they are. KJUN knows full well what his implications were when he mad that post. It was a distinct effort to immediately discount any different opinions as those of either dishonest individuals or unConstitutional individuals. There is no way to debate his post without immediately being labled as one or the other...or both. Period.

Ummmm,,,,, i don't know what world your living in if you thought that was meant as an INSULT towards the personnel of ACLU. I would say its an insult to the actions and head of the company. But its not personal.
Those aren't insults to the ACLU...they are direct insults to anyone posting a different opinion...me. I don't care about the ACLU, call them whatever you want. If I can get away wioth calling Rush Limbaugh an idiot, I certainly wouldn't fault you, KJUN, Brent or anyone else for calling any person fropm the ACLU the same or worse. It's an insult to me, and he knows it it will get my attention, and he knows I will post a different opinion. The entire point of the post is to insult anyone claiming otherwise.

Its pretty hard to hear sarcasm over the internet. Before now i don't recall you ever saying that you were being sarcastic.
Well, than you simply haven't been paying attention. I said it then, since, and now. I tell my roommate to kill himself all the time when he starts whining and acting like a baby.

To me...the very idea that anyone would take that seriously is ludicrous. Unless, of course, it was in a thread written by a depressed individul about the troubles and travails they are experiencing. Sure, if I wrote it then, I deserve to be permabanned and sent straight to hell. But context is a wonderful thing, and the context in which it was written was deliberately sarcastic. I'm not sorry I wrote it. I'm sorry people took it the wrong way, but it is what it is. Impossible to read vocal inflection over a forum.

He's not "twisting words." You said out loud that you wanted him to kill himself. Thats that.
See my reply above. It's called spin. And both KJUN and Brent are good at it. That's not an insult, it's a compliment. People make a ton of money for being able to do it. But taking words out of context and insisting they were intended in a manner that the context shows obviously was not the intention is called "twisting words". That's why I don't bother responding. Both Brent and KJUN are well aware of the intent of my use of those words. They just like trying to get me reiled up. Either that, or I am giving both of these guys WAY too much credit.

Going back to insults are we.... Or is it sarcasm again?
How is that an insult?

What about when that other "one" actually resigned?
He didn't complain. He quit. Big difference between getting fed up and walking away, and getting fed up and making a point of complaining about the job publicly everytime you have to do what you are actually supposed to do...and than continuing to do it.


THIS is worthless drivel. In THIS post you are twisting words to get your effect. THIS post is intended to make anger.
So what? Just as much as his posts are directly intended to make me angry, my replies are intended to do the same. It's called "poking the sleeping dog", and KJUN does it to me every chance he gets. Sometimes I poke back. It's a two way street, to be certain...
 
And just to show you, Cornsnake 124...if you look above my last post, you will se yet another post by Brent, wherein he is specifically "poking the sleeping dog" again. See how that works?

What he's doing is hounding on the same simple topic over and over again. He knows he's wrong, and he knows he's twisting things around to suit his needs. But if he keeps on doing it, people will pick it up, here and there, in chunks and ouit of context, and totally take it the wrong way...the way he wants them to see it.

And if I'm wrong about that, as I said above, than I am giving him way too much credit. I just do not see how any reasonable person would not see the sarcasm in the original post. But that's just me...

And you can see from snakemom's post that it works. Without seeing the original post in context and getting a feel for the situation in which it was written, she has judged the words and me as inexcusable. I don't blame her for it. Heck even if she goes back, finds the original post, and still loses respect for me because of it, that is her choice, and fine by me. I'm not here to impress anyone.
 
But,Brent,here's the thing.......If it's being said that anybody can post their own opinion in any thread and it is not breaking any rules,then who determines what opinions are "acceptable".

There ARE opinions that clearly break rules. Prefacing a comment with "in my opinion" doesn't change that or exempt the poster. But these political threads present modding problems. A majority of them are posted solely to inflame. This thread may be an example of that. These political threads often turn into ad hominem slugfests, and I tend to turn a blind eye to much of it. If you jump into a thread like this, beware. The mods aren't here to protect you from yourselves.

And the mods don't speak with one voice. Susan may tolerate things that I won't, and vice versa. It's all very subjective. So no one should whine over apparent inconsistencies in the moderating of this site. Inconsistencies will happen. If you can't tolerate that, then go elsewhere.

I mean,sure, I wouldn't find it acceptable to tell someone to kill themselves,however if it were someone else's "opinion" then it's been stated that it's acceptable. And if the only thing that's not acceptable(other than what is already stated in the forum rules) is "trolling" then who determines what is "childish garbage" and what is "trolling"? It's all very confusing.

I agree. It IS very confusing. I don't think that Susan meant that ALL opinions are acceptable. They are not to me. And since I act alone, and speak only for myself, I would suggest that members resist the urge to test their interpretations of what Susan said. Sometimes trolling IS tolerated. Who decides when it is unacceptable? Me, at least when I'm the one evaluating a situation. And for the record, antagonizing mods is against the rules, whether it's stated in the rules list, or not.

And when I hear a mod stating over and over again what a thankless PITA job they have,then I wonder, "Why do it,then?!"

I do it because I was elected to do it and I agreed to do it. That doesn't mean that I can't complain about it or wish that there wasn't so much time-consuming foolishness. But I like this site, and I don't mind helping out. Why do contributors who complain about this site persist in supporting it? We all do things that seem incomprehensible to others.

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that it's not about what you contribute to this community or who you are as a member. It's about how well liked you are and who's more popular amoung the "beloved" members here.
Welcome to planet Earth. Please enjoy your stay.

Hell, last night I was told by a member here that the only way they'd come near me is with a gun in their hand! Of course,this wasn't said on the forum,but sadly,I think even if it had been, nothing would've been done about it. Why? Because it's one of the "beloved" members.

You can report PMs too, you know. I don't know if that comment broke any rules, and I don't know the all-important context. But bashing the team over hypotheticals is sort of low.

So I just tra-la-la'ed right over it. So it's not just those "trouble-makers" and "worst offenders" that say some pretty nasty stuff to other members. It's lots of the "good guys" too.

So you're complaining about it, but you never took the first step toward resolving the problem. That's typical around here.
 
Yep, I noticed the bias, but I'm on nightshifts so this is like 5.30 am for me and that was the best link I could find! Sounds like a fairly workable solution can be found.

Well, it wasn't too bad. It stated the facts. It stated the author's opinions about those facts, as well, but at least it started with the facts of the case. You have to choose your battles.

And I agree. It seems a reasonable solution will come around. Compromise is what it is. I still don't like the "donut hole" issue, but...I like that it will now be on private land. So...you gotta take the good with the bad...
 
But I have to wonder...why wouldn't the VFW have simply moved it to the private 5 acre plot adjacent to the park that they already owned?

Seems like their may be some reason other than simply having the memorial in place, if the VFW was so against having it on their own property from the start. Perhaps location within plain view of every visitor to the park had more of a role than we like to admit? Perhaps not, but still...it does make me wonder...
 
And you can see from snakemom's post that it works. Without seeing the original post in context and getting a feel for the situation in which it was written, she has judged the words and me as inexcusable. I don't blame her for it. Heck even if she goes back, finds the original post, and still loses respect for me because of it, that is her choice, and fine by me. I'm not here to impress anyone.

If I took a comment you made yourself out of context it's only because I was going by your own quote. If you didnt' want anything taken out of context then maybe you should have posted the whole post or put a link to it at the time you quoted yourself.
 
If I took a comment you made yourself out of context it's only because I was going by your own quote. If you didnt' want anything taken out of context of read wrong then maybe you should have posted the whole post or put a link to it at the time you quoted yourself.
I don't even remember what topic it was in. I do remember what I wrote and how it was intended. I don't expect anyone to "support" me on it, as I still contend that I did nothing wrong. My statement was no more insulting or "hateful" than any of the other vitriolic posts within the topic, even out of context. I'm just not whining about those at every chance I get...

Sarcasm is what it is. Some people use it, others despise it. I can't control how people will react to what I write, I can only control the words and context I use to write it. Everyone is welcome to form their own opinions based on that. From the beginning I openly admitted that the post was written entirely out of anger, arrogance, and sarcasm. People either accept that and move on, as I have, or they do not. I'm done defending it, as I still do not feel I have done aything that needs "defending", and I won't apologize for it, as I still don't feel I've done anything deserving of an apology. I'm pretty much over that whole issue. The rest of the forum can do whatever they want with it...
 
Hey sparky, that might be a good idea for ya. That way you wouldn't have to type so much in order to blatantly insult the participants.
Nah. I'd rather leave the child's play to you and KJUN. If I'm going to insult you, it won't be on the forum. Here, I will just be condescending. It's as much respect as you deserve, and it doesn't cross the line to actual insult. Ain't that right, BooBoo?

Don't forget, he's done it twice now:
He should think about working for the new government health care program! "Hey, you should just go kill yourself. Have a nice day."

D80
Yup. The New Government Healthcare Program that is going to be passed, with a Public Option. Now you have a reason to bang your head against the keyboard...

Wait, shh....I think I hear the liberals knocking at your door, too...
 
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