Steph, I read that pied thread and I don't get what you're saying about it.
So, unless snakewispera sr (Mike) is guilty of complete fabrication, David posted about the pied thing and originally said "I have a bloodred that has some white on her sides and a very light color is she pied? Is it genetic or line bred? If I breed her with her brother who has not white on the side I would have granites, fires, hypo bloods and bloods all het pied! Would that make me more money or would I have to prove her out." Mike said not to worry about the money. David edited his OP, removing that, and stating emphatically that he was NOT concerned about money. Mike called him out for doing
that (which I thought perfectly fair, and he wasn't short or snotty about either issue). David goes on to say that he "doesn't care" and just wants to learn about the gene. He says he doesn't care about the genetics in his particular snake, that he just wants to learn about the gene, and eventually asks a very basic question: "Ok, so do we know what pied is? Is is dominant, co dominant or recessive." Graham tells him which books to get if he's really interested and that there's a lot on the site that can be found using the search function. David says, "Thanks for the tips," as if he didn't know that (and I don't believe that David is that dumb). He later asks "I wonder if pied is even a line bred thing?" Then ComoxCorn tells him to buy the books. David replies with "I have the books." Then there's some convo about his particular snake, which he says he will check out. WHAT?!? So which is it? He wants to know if his snakes are pied, or doesn't? He wants to know if pieds will make him more money, or not? He is
just interested in understanding the gene, so posts this whole thread when he has all of the information about it in his possession already? What?!? NONE of that makes any sense.
Before he admitted that he already had the info. in his possession (which he didn't admit until he'd been told twice to look there), I already thought that his motivation for making the post wasn't what he was claiming. I don't know or care what it was, but I do care that his claim didn't jive with his "actions." I also thought cornsnakemom's business there wasn't anything other than to harp at him, even though she claimed that wasn't her motivation.
My comment about disingenuousness was a play on the movie where that kid says "I see dead people." I thought the thread was surreal in that everyone was acting as if there wasn't a pink elephant in the room, which was that people weren't being honest. I can't explain my take on it any more clearly than that, Alan, but I understand if not everyone sees it the way I do.
David and I have a friendship and converse. I thought it was odd that he would say the care for corns and boas was almost the same, but I still thought I was talking to David. If I can still see that statement in the realm of possibilities, no matter if it sounded odd, then I can't fault others for the same thing. Looking back? The five big snake thing sounds crazy for David, and his house, but I still bought it.
I CAN fault people for continuing to carry on with the discussion as if it had something to do with David, or he had some control over someone else's mean-spirited dishonesty.
I missed the convo on the whole "Unexpected" thread, because I opened it, read the OP, and decided not to ever open it again. So that might be what you're referring to, I don't know. My conversation here has to do with my thoughts/feelings about David in general, and I don't feel that I'm in any way out of bounds for saying what I'm saying in the way I'm saying it.
Absolutely, I agree you should call someone on their bull when you see fit. I make mistakes and people are quick to point them out. I have no problem with that. If I don’t agree with their position I will say so.
Chris quoted something I has said the day before and then made a bunch of derogatory comments. I felt he was trying to get me to argue with him. My comment was to that effect. But no matter, I do poke people from time to time and people poke me. No problem. That is different than people who are the first to arrive when David starts a thread and then start picking him apart. Every thing he says is scrutinized. Not many of us could stand up to the microscopic exam all of his threads get.
Re: Chris, I see. I had missed that. And now I better understand where you were coming from. Re: David, I agree, but I think SOME of us COULD stand up to the microscopic exam he gets, because some of us think really hard about what we post, and are 100% honest, such that even if we misstepped, we would apologize when called on it, and people would forgive it and forget it. I
still feel badly about being unnecessarily nasty to tricksterpup in a thread that got my rile up, but I doubt that very many other people even remember it.
I’m with you all the way. I enjoy a good discussion and a good debate. I enjoy an argument if it can be civil. I really don’t like people who criticize for the fun of criticism and knock you down to make themselves look tall. Those were the people I was mad at today.
I agree that people are ridiculous with David. I don't respect it when people give him hell for no reason, but I don't care enough to try to stop it or even enough to get mad about it. I guess I just don't care because I feel he made his own bed, so . . .
I've never trusted a single queztacoatl that couldn't correctly spell his own name...Quetzalcoatl.
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