Obama Youth?

[Roy Munson]

I'm an ignorant bleep, but I know the difference between succession and secession. Typos are acceptable unless committed by those who pretend to care about such things...

 

[dave partington]

I'm an ignorant bleep, but I know the difference between succession and secession. Typos are acceptable unless committed by those who pretend to care about such things...

Finilly, sumthang wurf wrepping awn!!!

 

[ForkedTung]

I'm an ignorant bleep, but I know the difference between succession and secession. Typos are acceptable unless committed by those who pretend to care about such things...

Yeah I caught that as well but coupled with the idea that I was somehow alive in the 1800's and could be held responsible for him being charged as a traitor was too far 'out there' for a reply.

After the end of the Civil War, former Confederate President Jefferson Davis is arrested in Georgia. Davis is charged with treason, but released on $100,000 bond in 1867. In 1868 the federal government drops the charges against Davis.

 

[tyflier]

Hmm...with all the talk about the Democrats forcing financial institutions to give mortgages to people thaty couldn't afford them, you'd think that people were forgetting that what actually got those institutions in major trouble wasn't that people couldn't repay debts. It was the fact that these institutions leveraged those debts for nine times their actual value in order to purosefully and decietfully inflate their own net worth.

But I guess a company telling it's shareholders they are worth almost 10 tmes their ACTUAL worth had nothing to do with the stock market plummetnig...right? And I guess the fact that the people who KNEW the companies were really bankrupt, but continued to tell the stockholders they were worth billions, and than proceeded to withdraw every penny of their OWN from the company before it's collapse had NOTHING to do with the stock market plummeting...right?

Nah...couldn't have been. Must have been the filthy liberals with their government funded public projects and bleeding-heart assistance programs.

But whatever you do, don't regulate these companies. God forbid we prevent them from doing anything like that again. We certainly wouldn't want to see our financial institutions being required to be honest with shareholders in their projections and declarations, now, would we? Afterall...if they were forced to be 100% honest...we wouldn't get to feel like millionaires with our Monopoly Money...

 

[tsst]

Seemed appropriate. :shrugs:

 

[jazzgeek]

Two items of note (for me).

1. Surely a politician (especially Obama) wouldn't lie, surely this is exactly what he will say and not a "cover". Maybe it is, but he has proven I can not trust him right now so I surely will not believe this until he actually speaks ONLY those words.

It appears as if he actually spoke "ONLY those words". What say you now?

2. As far as I know, you have never truly contributed to any corn snake discussion, you seem to just jump in, throw some meaningless drivel and then jump back. You post never seem to offer helpful information. At least this time you are attempting to add something to the discussion, congratulations!

Then you don't know much, or are too lazy to do the research. The site search link is your friend.

Additionally, I'll defer to the original post:

And I checked, this is in the General Chit Chat forum, so it is ok for me to start a non-cornsnake related thread.

And that would make it OK for me to reply to a non-cornsnake related thread, would it not?

So then, you switch hats and become a critic of online communications. Fair enough. Let's review, shall we? (Disclosure: All words in bold were made so by me for emphasis.)

BTW, "Suck it". Nice way to show of your adult communicative skills. Even with all the liberals on this post offering their inuendos, they have remained proffesional in their points. Nice job

Actually I am, especially the "you likely only have two brain cell" comment. Probably no one will admit it, but I am sure it got laughs. However, let's not be coy and pretend your "inuendo" isn't just as classless.

But wait! There's more!

Do you think our Continental Army only faught British troops in that war? What fantasy version are you studying. Some Americans remained loyal to the British and they died for that be it in war or privately.

Oh, and why did the "Great Emancipator" take two years to draft the Emancipation Proclomation? If the war was being fought over slavery, why wasn't that article drafted almost immediately after SC secceded? Not that you will, but dig and you will find that answer also. You can never trust ANY politician of ANY party.

For the recored though, if I were to have "my Guy" from the Southern Side of the war, it would be Longstreet.

Secondly, you are right, I resulted into throwing out some childish remarks.

"I resulted into" ?? Work with me here. One does not "result into". Did you mean to say "I resorted to" (active voice) or did you mean "it resulted in" (passive voice) ???

And I'm the one with the poor "adult communicative skills"? I LOVE irony! :headbang:

I'll agree with Deano on this one....

I'm an ignorant bleep, but I know the difference between succession and secession. Typos are acceptable unless committed by those who pretend to care about such things...

Moving on, you transition from communications critic to tap dancer:

Also, funny you automatically asumed I meant him in my comment. I never called his name in the last post, you did! Also funny is that my inuendo there was very similar to your original inuendo about my signature, lol.

OK, I'm not one to presume either. But methinks you're bluffing, and I'll call it. Might I ask who you were referring to, if not me?

Finally, on to some substance:

I may be wrong, but no one said his speech was wrong...

I believe you're contradicting the entire premise of this thread, as expressed by the original post:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/02/critics-decry-obamas-lesson-plan-students/

Is this the beginning of the Obama youth program? You know, I am not saying that the guy is going to commit some type of genocide, it is just spooky the number of similarities this man has with Hitler.

Granted, the OP phrased it in the form of a hypothetical question, so as to have an "out" (IMHO) if confronted.

"Hey, I didn't say Obama was indoctrinating our youth; I was just asking!"

Look at the "chyrons" at the bottom of the screen during Neil Cavuto's show; he's notorious for doing this.

...and don't forget, his speech wasn't released until the day before it was to be made. This whole thread started prior to that.

Likewise, don't forget that the WH announced that it would be posting the text of the speech the day after it announced that he *would* give the address, presumably in response to the conspiracy theories puked into the blogosphere.

At the time, all we knew is that he asked students to write letters telling how they could help the President, not how he could help them and that the president was going to address the countries students. That is the point, not that the speech was good or bad.

Again, the premise in the OP would seem to indicate that "the point" was one of "indoctrination".

It seems to be unfounded:



BTW, Jim Greer is a hypocrite.

Doesn't mean it is wrong or right for either of us, but fact is I am entitled to my beliefs and opinions and that is my opinion of your post, they are liberal vomit.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

I am calling a truce or taking my ball and going home or whatever you want to call it. Arguing with you is like arguing with my 12 year old daughter...

I can only hope your 12 year old daughter knows how to use spell check; it's just two buttons to the right of "Submit Reply".


Dale

 

[ForkedTung]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jazzgeek again.

 

[tyflier]

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Indoctrination? Perhaps...perhaps not.

But making stuff up with no evidenciary support and calling it "news" is just funny to me. And the fact that so many people blindly follow the lead with no thought for themselves is even more humorous to me.

I guess the definition of "fact" is changing with the times, as well...

I have a question though...do I get to start a rally and call politicians "Hitler" and scream about indoctrination when they tell me that Creationism should be taught alongside Evolution? Or when they tell my kid that she needs to bow her head in silence so that her classmates can pray? Or what about forcing them to stand in front of the flag and recite an Oath for which they have no comprehension? Or how about indocrinating unquestioned patriotism so deep into the subconscious minds of our kids that we don't even realize the words that are coming out of our mouths when we recite the Pledge of Allegiance, or sing "The Star Spangled Banner"?

I guess "indoctrination" is only an issue when you disagree with what's being said or dislike the person saying it, though...right?

 

[ForkedTung]

"Any attempt to rollback the accountability to Washington DC...Uh, Ah...I'll fight any attempt to do that....I'm just not gonna let that happen"

Great policy defense of NCLB ( what a load that turned into) by GW Bush in front of school children.
Where were all the holier-than-thou protective parents that day?

 

[Michael823]

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Indoctrination? Perhaps...perhaps not.

But making stuff up with no evidenciary support and calling it "news" is just funny to me. And the fact that so many people blindly follow the lead with no thought for themselves is even more humorous to me.

I guess the definition of "fact" is changing with the times, as well...

I have a question though...do I get to start a rally and call politicians "Hitler" and scream about indoctrination when they tell me that Creationism should be taught alongside Evolution? Or when they tell my kid that she needs to bow her head in silence so that her classmates can pray? Or what about forcing them to stand in front of the flag and recite an Oath for which they have no comprehension? Or how about indocrinating unquestioned patriotism so deep into the subconscious minds of our kids that we don't even realize the words that are coming out of our mouths when we recite the Pledge of Allegiance, or sing "The Star Spangled Banner"?

I guess "indoctrination" is only an issue when you disagree with what's being said or dislike the person saying it, though...right?

Gotta' spread some rep I guess, but you are so on point with this, I had to let you know.

 

[Pruddock]

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Indoctrination? Perhaps...perhaps not.

But making stuff up with no evidenciary support and calling it "news" is just funny to me. And the fact that so many people blindly follow the lead with no thought for themselves is even more humorous to me.

I guess the definition of "fact" is changing with the times, as well...

I have a question though...do I get to start a rally and call politicians "Hitler" and scream about indoctrination when they tell me that Creationism should be taught alongside Evolution? Or when they tell my kid that she needs to bow her head in silence so that her classmates can pray? Or what about forcing them to stand in front of the flag and recite an Oath for which they have no comprehension? Or how about indocrinating unquestioned patriotism so deep into the subconscious minds of our kids that we don't even realize the words that are coming out of our mouths when we recite the Pledge of Allegiance, or sing "The Star Spangled Banner"?

I guess "indoctrination" is only an issue when you disagree with what's being said or dislike the person saying it, though...right?

I honestly don't watch the news because I got tired of it before, during, and right after the election. I saw the early releases from the DOE that had the questions that were directed towards Obama rather than to the country or whatever in them, that bothered me. I also have to laugh at this whole matter because if you search the internet you're going to find plenty of "Hitler" naming on both sides of the turf. This is not a first time or isolated incident for EITHER side.

As to your questions on indoctrination. I just want to throw a few things out there.

First, Hitler rejected Christianity so it would NOT be able to that statement to him in that direction OR the notion of teaching multiple beliefs. The whole basis of imperialism and a dictatorship is one belief. So, multiple influences would be bad. Correct?

Second, asking your child to be respectful of another's beliefs by bowing and/or being silent is not indoctrination, it is respect. One of the most beautiful things I've seen in a LONG time was while I was in Singapore (Extremely Socialist country) and people were actually RESPECTING THE BELIEFS OF OTHERS!!! It was awesome! During Christmas you could say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hannukah" and not offend others. People could put scripture on the outside of their house and not offend others or be asked to remove it because it is a Christian holiday. When a Buddhist or other religious/philosophical celebration would come along people were respectful of THAT religion/belief as well. What happened here in America?

*Disclaimer* You never said she HAD to pray with them because forcing that upon her would be discrimination, but asking her to please respect the others in her class (and you're from Cali so I KNOW there are other atheist families and children in her class) is completely different.


You can call ANY type of an opinion or teaching "indoctrination", it is the purpose behind the teaching or question that MAKES it indoctrination. Do I know if Obama was trying to "indoctrinate" the children of the U.S.? No. Do I feel that the pre-released material was poorly worded? Yes.

To be honest I think this entire argument has gotten pointless because there are about 10 of us actually engaged in it and none of us are going to be changing the other's mind (does that make us all indoctrinated?). But, even more than that we're arguing and calling each other idiots over semantics and typos. Come on, that's just getting petty and does nothing to add anything to the argument. It's rampant on all sides and really just needs to be dropped.

With all of that said I have to say that I'm done with the thread because I feel like we're all beating a dead horse and I could provide plenty of facts to support statements and make debates just as Chris or Jazz or Camby or KJ could, but in the end I don't see it making a darn bit of difference among this group. I say that with the most love I can because I don't think the US would be the country it is without hard headed individuals like ourselves. So, with that. God Bless (I'm a Christian and if you don't believe then take it as "Take Care" - don't want to offend anybody...) and Goodnight.

 

[Camby]

It appears as if he actually spoke "ONLY those words". What say you now?

Ugh, here we go AGAIN. OK, Captain Jack, I am sure to regret it, but I will bite...

Did you read the post I made? It says "until he actually speaks ONLY those words". So, you want my reaction, I'll give it to you. He gave a nice "feel good" speech, kudoz to him. Does this now make me a supporter, heck no, he is still not trustworthy IMHO. Whew, so far no spelling or grammatical errors...I don't think.

Then you don't know much, or are too lazy to do the research. The site search link is your friend.

I'll opt for the lazy option. Again, I take complete blame for not correcting everything I typed. It was assumed the majority of this you would understand even with errors. Thanks for catching all the errors and pointing them out. You should be an English teacher, really!

Additionally, I'll defer to the original post:

And that would make it OK for me to reply to a non-cornsnake related thread, would it not?

I don't THINK you read my original post concerning you. I said you never offer anything except junk (sorry, I can't remember what I originally said. If you want, when you check this post for spelling errors you can also look up what I originally said and quote it, thanks in advance for doing both if you so choose.

Either way, you are right, you have every right to post, I never said you couldn't join in. What made you think that? IMHO you just don't seem to truly contribute to most threads. I still stand by that opinion, no matter how many grammatical or spelling errors I may have/will make. Speaking of errors, how many have I made so far?

So then, you switch hats and become a critic of online communications. Fair enough. Let's review, shall we? (Disclosure: All words in bold were made so by me for emphasis.

Fair enough. Thank you for checking everything for me and pointing it out to everyone. I am so ashamed of myself. I promise to write at least ten different paragraphs and utilize the spell check on each.

But wait! There's more!

"I resulted into" ?? Work with me here. One does not "result into". Did you mean to say "I resorted to" (active voice) or did you mean "it resulted in" (passive voice) ???

And I'm the one with the poor "adult communicative skills"? I LOVE irony! :headbang:

Dang it, where were you when I needed you in school? I'll be sure to utilize the spell check prior to posting in the future. At a minimum, two things will be accomplished, you have something to do by checking me for errors and I won't make as many mistakes. Sound fair?

Moving on, you transition from communications critic to tap dancer:

OK, I'm not one to presume either. But methinks you're bluffing, and I'll call it. Might I ask who you were referring to, if not me?

BTW, I really like the way you mix in old english in the middle of your contemporary english writting, very nice touch. Also, I can't remember, but is it proper to start a sentence with "But"?

For the record, I did direct that comment at you, I just thought it was funny he automatically knew who I was referring to without very much direction :shrugs: Not sure you caught the true meaning of my comments, that is ok, you were busy checking me for mistakes so that is understandable.

Finally, on to some substance:

I believe you're contradicting the entire premise of this thread, as expressed by the original post:

Granted, the OP phrased it in the form of a hypothetical question, so as to have an "out" (IMHO) if confronted.

"Hey, I didn't say Obama was indoctrinating our youth; I was just asking!"

Look at the "chyrons" at the bottom of the screen during Neil Cavuto's show; he's notorious for doing this.

Likewise, don't forget that the WH announced that it would be posting the text of the speech the day after it announced that he *would* give the address, presumably in response to the conspiracy theories puked into the blogosphere.

Again, the premise in the OP would seem to indicate that "the point" was one of "indoctrination".

It seems to be unfounded:



BTW, Jim Greer is a hypocrite.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

Once again, you must have been busy correcting my grammatical and spellling errors, BUT, I never said it was a fact that your comments were vomit, I said "fact is I am entitled to my beliefs and opinions and that is my opinion of your post, they are liberal vomit." Maybe I am just confused or maybe you are confusing my comments?

I can only hope your 12 year old daughter knows how to use spell check; it's just two buttons to the right of "Submit Reply".

Thanks, she does, as soon as I am finished here, she is going to TRY and show me how to use it! I have nothing to say anymore, I am bored, I really started out enjoying myself on this post, but now it feels like work.

Thanks again for catching my errors for me and pointing them out. I'll strive to do better in the future so you aren't wasting your time grading my papers:cheers: BTW, I was in a rush when I typed this so there are likely more in here, I'll start using spell check on the next post, I promise.

 

[Nova_C]

As to your questions on indoctrination. I just want to throw a few things out there.

First, Hitler rejected Christianity so it would NOT be able to that statement to him in that direction OR the notion of teaching multiple beliefs. The whole basis of imperialism and a dictatorship is one belief. So, multiple influences would be bad. Correct?

Incorrect. Indoctrination was not invented by Hitler and as such, the Nazis don't have a monopoly on defining indoctrination. Not only that, but a dictatorship and/or imperialism does not imply any sort of structure of religion. You could have a dictatorship that allows all beliefs to flourish and it would still be a dictatorship. What you're thinking of is a theocracy, which is a type of dictatorship, but not every dictatorship is a theocracy.

Second, asking your child to be respectful of another's beliefs by bowing and/or being silent is not indoctrination, it is respect. One of the most beautiful things I've seen in a LONG time was while I was in Singapore (Extremely Socialist country) and people were actually RESPECTING THE BELIEFS OF OTHERS!!! It was awesome! During Christmas you could say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hannukah" and not offend others. People could put scripture on the outside of their house and not offend others or be asked to remove it because it is a Christian holiday. When a Buddhist or other religious/philosophical celebration would come along people were respectful of THAT religion/belief as well. What happened here in America?

What do you think happened? Has anyone had religious imagery forcible removed from private property? I'm pretty sure the only times it comes up is when religious imagery is on public property, which is a fair argument.

As far as wishing 'Merry Christmas' or whatever, we went through this at Christmas last year. If someone is offended that you wish them a Merry Christman, they're a douchebag. It's not indicative of a greater conspiracy.

You can call ANY type of an opinion or teaching "indoctrination", it is the purpose behind the teaching or question that MAKES it indoctrination. Do I know if Obama was trying to "indoctrinate" the children of the U.S.? No. Do I feel that the pre-released material was poorly worded? Yes.

Indoctrination isn't really any kind of teaching. If you only teach the things that support your worldview, that would be indoctrination. It's why people in so many countries don't revolt all the time. They believe so strongly that their way is the best way because the people in charge are telling them that their way is the best way. It has nothing to do with whether or not it's true, so long as the people believe it.

 

[ZoologyGirl]

What do you think happened? Has anyone had religious imagery forcible removed from private property? I'm pretty sure the only times it comes up is when religious imagery is on public property, which is a fair argument.

As far as wishing 'Merry Christmas' or whatever, we went through this at Christmas last year. If someone is offended that you wish them a Merry Christman, they're a douchebag. It's not indicative of a greater conspiracy.

My question is, when did 'Happy Holidays' become so offensive. :shrugs: I remember listening to Limbaugh and O'Reilly around christmas time and people were calling in with stories that added up to: "ZOMG the cashier at costco just said 'happy holidays' to me, devil worshipper, anti-christ, heathens!"

 

[Camby]

My question is, when did 'Happy Holidays' become so offensive. :shrugs: I remember listening to Limbaugh and O'Reilly around christmas time and people were calling in with stories that added up to: "ZOMG the cashier at costco just said 'happy holidays' to me, devil worshipper, anti-christ, heathens!"

I am a Christian and have never made that a seceret, so my opinion on your question is based on why it offends me. The holiday is called CHRISTmas. So, the majority of Christians are offended when that is removed and Happy Holidays are inserted. Heck, if you aren't a Christian (not you personally), then I don't think you should celebrate the holiday. If people wnat the gifts, then they can celebrate "I want gifts day" rather than Christmas?

Don't even get me started on how commercialized Christmas has become.

dc

 

[ZoologyGirl]

So, the majority of Christians are offended when that is removed and Happy Holidays are inserted.

I have a few points for this statement.

Again, when did Happy Holidays become anti-christian? Irving Berlin sang a song called "Happy Holiday" in the 1940's...he must be anti-christian.

Also...I hear Christians saying "respect my religion, if I say merry christmas, you better say merry christmas back". But then the same people are offended when people say "Happy Holidays" to them. i.e 'you better respect my beliefs, but I won't respect yours'.

Heck, the word 'holiday' itself is derived from the words "holy day"...so even the atheists out there wishing people happy holidays are wishing everyone a happy holy day.

 

[Camby]

I have a few points for this statement.

Again, when did Happy Holidays become anti-christian? Irving Berlin sang a song called "Happy Holiday" in the 1940's...he must be anti-christian.

Also...I hear Christians saying "respect my religion, if I say merry christmas, you better say merry christmas back". But then the same people are offended when people say "Happy Holidays" to them. i.e 'you better respect my beliefs, but I won't respect yours'.

Heck, the word 'holiday' itself is derived from the words "holy day"...so even the atheists out there wishing people happy holidays are wishing everyone a happy holy day.

I gave my opinion as MY answer to your question. I wouldn't personally utilize an entertainer as a reference. Many performers sing lyrics they didn't write or believe in.

I have never said or thought to or about anyone "you better respect my religion". The point is, it is a Christian holiday (albeit a now commercialized one). If you aren't a Christian then just tell me to have a good day or say nothg, what is wrong with that? Most people saying "Happy Holiday" do not understand the make up of the word Holiday so it has for the most part lost it's true meaning.

Hope that made better sense, I am not trying to convert anyone, not trying to argue or anthing else, I am simply offering you an answer to your question based on my opinion.

dc

 

[tyflier]

I am a Christian and have never made that a seceret, so my opinion on your question is based on why it offends me. The holiday is called CHRISTmas. So, the majority of Christians are offended when that is removed and Happy Holidays are inserted. Heck, if you aren't a Christian (not you personally), then I don't think you should celebrate the holiday. If people wnat the gifts, then they can celebrate "I want gifts day" rather than Christmas?

Don't even get me started on how commercialized Christmas has become.

dc

Show me the Birth Certificate that says Jesus Christ, son of God and Mary, was born on December 25 in Bethlehem, and I'll buy this. Otherwise, it is, as it has always been, a commercialized holiday intent on bringing good cheer to everyone through kindness and graciousness in gift giving.

Frankly, Christmas is no more a "Relgious Holiday" than is Thanksgiving or New Year's. Nowhere in the bible(or Bible) does it say anything about exchanging gifts on December 25 in rememberance of the Birth of Jesus. It mentions remembering and keeping sacred his birthday...but nothing about a date or "holiday" to go with it.

Does Santa Clause visit your children? Got a Christmas tree? How about a wreath, some pretty lights, maybe a stocking or three, hanging by the chimney? All of these are pagan symbols. Nicely done with your Christian Holiday. Love the irony there.

If you want to celebrate Christmas the "Christian" way, I suggest you spend the night freezing your bum off in a barn, while exchanging the "gifts" of heat, deodorant, and some money for dinner because in all honesty...that's all Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh are. These "gifts" were necesseties that this child was lacking at the time of his birth. Without them, the child would likely have died, if not the mother along with him.

So please...don't talk to me about "us" commercializing "your" holiday. December 25 has ALWAYS been about giving gifts, having fun, and being like a child. That's what the Christmas Spirit is. And 95% of the symbolism is based on ancient pagan traditions...not Christianity.

You want the truth? Christians stole the holiday from the pagans. It was convenient to your story, so you borrowed it. It fit your ideals, so you claimed it as your own, and nobody argued with you, so that's what it is. Obviously, I don't mean you, personally. I hope you get that.

Peyton--
Indoctrination is not defined by what is forced. It is an activity, not an ideal.

And I realize there is a difference between "indoctrination" and respecting others. Trust me I do. What I run into is people that expect me to respect their beliefs and their right to practice, but don't give the same to others.

You can bet that Hell would be raised if a child in ANY public school, bowed to pray to a pagan god during school hours. The child would be ostrecized, and their parents accused of trying to convert everyone else's kids to satanism, or some such crap(as if they're remotely related), and their would be protestors and politicians just lining up for a stab at the kid and her parents. So pardon me, but don;t demand respect if you refuse to give it(not you, personally, but in general).

See the problem doesn't come into play until it is christianity that is told it can't do something. Most Christians will not give the slightest nod of respect to anyone practicing a different religion than theirs, but demand every ounce of respect to practice their own. That's the very definition of hypocritical, and while I am aware that it doesn't apply across the board with all Christians, it does seem to be a very common thread amongst politicians, protestors, and the most vociferous of the Christian "movement".

So I do apprecaite your post, and understand where you're coming from. I just have no synmpathy for Christians or Christianity as a religion when it comes to respecting beliefs. You get what you give, is what I've always been told...

 

[ZoologyGirl]

The point is, it is a Christian holiday (albeit a now commercialized one).

technically Christmas is, at it's origins, a pagan holiday :shrugs:

If you aren't a Christian then just tell me to have a good day or say nothg, what is wrong with that?

What would you do if someone said 'Happy Hannukah' to you?

So someone who celebrates whatever they celebrate around that time shouldn't wish someone 'happy holidays' (or whatever holiday greeting they care to use)...but Christians have the right to say 'merry christmas' to anyone they please? how do you know the person you are saying it to is a Christian? Perhaps just as you are offended by a supposed non-christian holiday greeting like 'happy holidays'...a person who is non-christian may be offended by you saying 'merry christmas'. So again, what gives Christians the right to say merry christmas...but non-christians shouldn't say anything except have a good day.

As far as what brought us to this roundabout discussion of christmas/holidays...Chris's comment about religion in school. I do not think that religion belongs in public school. I see no problem with an individual student taking their own personal time for a quiet prayer to whatever god/gods they please...but I do not think there needs to be a time designated as forced prayer time/forced 'quiet time' in a public school

 

[tyflier]

Don't forget to mention that the words "holy" and "Christian" are ONLY synonomous in the minds of Christians, and that the words "holy day"(aka holiday) can be applied to a day that is sacred in any religion...not just Christianity...