Obama Youth?

[Pruddock]

Always preferred crunchy myself but never been one to discriminate on pb brand.

Skippy

 

[tyflier]

Well for starters, they had a very similar "rise to power". Both were "community organizers" before their political careers began.
Obviously both are socialists.
Both had very questionable friends(like William Ayers, Reverend Wright and Tony Rezko, to name a few) who assisted them in their rise to power, friends that today are forgotten.
Hitler created a Gestapo, a national police force that would crack down on a dis-armed and defenseless population at will. Obama called for a national police force. He said: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." What is the purpose of this "civilian national security force"?
Lets not forget the trace/occult-like following both share.
Then there are the speeches, which help account for the following.
The empty promises.
Both were involved in the "green movement" of the time.

I still say that the number of similarities is spooky.

Oooh, Ooh...don't forget that both are very well spoken, too. Isn't that usually what follows?

MOST Presidents and Congressman were "community organizers" at some point before, during, or after their political carreers. That's like saying they are both men, so they compare.

Rise to power? Yea, were you referring to Hitler being a poor, disheartened, downtrodden house painter? Or were you referring to Hitler being apointed his position and Obama being elected. Don't see the connection there, either.

"National Police Force"? Yea, there have been regulations established for a long time. It's called Martial Law. Just because Obama wants to use a "police force" instead of a "military force" makes him a totalitarian dictator? Seems to me that a dedicated "Homeland Security" is something that has been prepared for long before Obama came on the scene. But go ahead and keep comparing.

Occult-like following? You mean like when thousands of people blindly believe the words of one or two individuals so closely that they never bother to check the facts [behind their belief, they just immediately take it as truth? I've heard of stuff like that happening. In fact...it was precisely that situation which ORIGINALLY started THIS topic. Of course, since you've long forgotten that you called Obama Hitler and started this topic because of a lie you believed in...you won't acknowledge that.

Sorry, but you're going to have to try a LOT harder than that. The plain and simlpe fact is you can make those same comparisons to most major world leaders, fascist, democratic or otherwise. So don't give me the life story of President Everyman as a basis for argumebnt. I said show it distinctly, succinctly, and precisely...not vaguely, remotely, and maybe...

 

[tyflier]

Payton--
I didn't address your previous post because your previous made no sense. It was a rant and a ramble about something which has no place in this topic and debate. So I ignored it. I don't know what you're talking about because frankly, YOU don't know what you're talking about. You can't even remember which topic you're in, and you're getting frustrated and emotional. So I ignored you and your ranting post, and moved on.

If you would like to calm down and come back to Earth for a minute, maybe we can talk. Otherwise...keep right on trucking.

I do remember someone teling me that this is just the internet, and you weren't supposed to get emotional. Guess that's easier said than done, isn't it? At least I never straight up called people names. You called Dale a fool. That's the first sign that YOU have lost control, not Dale.

But you can continue on with the charade if it's making you feel better...

 

[mike17l]

At least I never straight up called people names.

You have called people retarded, you have told people they could kill themselves, and you have told them they could "F" them self, am I missing anything?

 

[mike17l]

Of course, since you've long forgotten that you called Obama Hitler and started this topic because of a lie you believed in...you won't acknowledge that.

What lie was that? That the DOE did in fact release a lesson plan with questions, that were later retracted? What you have missed in this thread, is that it was never about BO talking to the youth of America, it is about government workers and organizations who should remain neutral, but choose to sing (literally and figuratively) the praises of BO.

 

[tyflier]

You have called people retarded, you have told people they could kill themselves, and you have told them they could "F" them self, am I missing anything?

When have I EVER called a person from this forum retarded, in response to a post they made?

And yea, evedently you're missing the definition of the word "insult", because telling someone that killing themself is an option and telling someon to "F" themselves are not insults. By ANY definition of the word. But then again...you've been making up definitions as you go along to fit your needs since you STARTED this topic, so I'm really not surprised that it continues.

Anyhow...I'll be waiting for that direct link and quote where I called someone from this forum, specifically, a ratard. I've called arguments ridiculous. And I called Rush Limbaugh a retard. But as far as I know...Rush LImbaugh isn't a member of this forum, nor was he involved in the topic, nor was my insult a direct response to a post of his.

Care to keep reaching? I'm sure you will. You've been reaching for reasonable arguments and grasping at straws of logic for days now. I certainly don't expect you stop...

 

[tyflier]

What lie was that? That the DOE did in fact release a lesson plan with questions, that were later retracted? What you have missed in this thread, is that it was never about BO talking to the youth of America, it is about government workers and organizations who should remain neutral, but choose to sing (literally and figuratively) the praises of BO.

The lie, discussed in a linked VIDEO CLIP, where the person that STARTED the rumour about Obama preaching indoctrination to our children ADMITTED that he never SAW the pre-released speech before making his claims. You know...the FALSE claims that got your panties all twisted in the first place?

Or did you forget why you started the topic, along with calling Obama Hitler?oke:

There's a saying where I come from...When the hole is too big to get out of...stop digging...

 

[mike17l]

When have I EVER called a person from this forum retarded, in response to a post they made?

Didn't say you did.

 

[glenhead]

I am a Peter Pan kinda guy myself. But Creamy - Agreed.

Choosy mothers choose Jif. I've had many, many people call me a mother-something, so I suppose that counts. Creamy for sure - something unfortunate happens to the peanuts in most crunchy butters. I think it's all Obama's fault - organizing peanut communities. They're probably actually ACORN chunks. Or maybe it's Bush's fault. Used peanuts from Rangers games. All politicians are nuts, anyway. Maybe it's Soylent Brown. It makes ya wonder...

 

[tyflier]

...What you have missed in this thread, is that it was never about BO talking to the youth of America, it is about government workers and organizations who should remain neutral, but choose to sing (literally and figuratively) the praises of BO. ...

Evidently, what I have missed in this thread, are the links to the various videos and news articles wherein Obama is being followed around, preaching to the masses of world takeover, guiling citizens into believing him, and leading our country on a questi to control the world. Yea...I missed that part.

What YOU have evidently missed in this thread, is peolpe continualy and blatantly pointing out to you that your belief in Obama as Hitler is totally unfounded, compeltely without base, and a ridiculous accusation.

What you GFURTHER miss is how ironic it is to watch you and others blindly accuse Obama based on LIES rhetoric, without ever thinking about the reality and truth of the situation, so much that even when you find out that it is was a LIE that started the whole thing...you keep digging for other connections.

Now we have the "birthers" and the "hitlerers". Both are utterly ridiculous, unfounded, masses of ignorant people that are blindly grasping at any straw they can in an effort to denounce a president they don't agree with.

Now I know that PEEEEEEEEEyton is going to come in here and harangue me about it going "both ways" and it does. And I don't deny that. But when I complain about the things a president is doing...I at least complain about the things that he REALLY did...not the stuff that someone else made up...

 

[tyflier]

Didn't say you did.

You have called people retarded, ...

Really? You forget more and more quickly as this thread progresses.

Big difference between me calling Rush Limbaugh retarded, and Peaoyton calling Dale a fool, don't you think? Oh yea...just another straw to grab ahold of...

 

[Pruddock]

I heard and saw references to Bush being called Hitler and a fascist all the time and I live in a conservative state. Guantanamo Bay was a "POW" camp long before Bush was ever in office and people have been using torture tactics and techniques for centuries. I understand that you feel that Bush went to extreme lengths under the implication that it was to prevent terrorist attacks from occurring. Have there been any (until the many, close attempts this week, funny how that has started occurring again) terrorist attacks on the US? Is there mass genocide still occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as WMD testing on civilian populations? To be honest, if you're talking via email or PM about blowing up the Zachry building at Texas A&M, a place I study often, I hope to God they knock down your door and pry your fingernails up with bamboo trying to make sure it doesn't occur. If you don't want this to happen, don't talk about it.

You've made this claim that Bush imprisoned everybody who was anti-Bush and anti-War but I see everybody at NBC still at it as well as the millions of others who protested.

I also have not seen you post one, documented shred of evidence to back up any of your statements, yet you and Dale continue to NEED to see resources for ANY statement I make that concerns some sort of facts.

I hope that you will see that I have tried to swing closer to the moderate part of the road in this and other threads commenting on the fact that this crap has been flung back and forth between parties for years DEAL WITH IT! Just because its finally "your guy" in office taking the crap don't think that the Dems never did it and its all just the evil, misguided conservatives.

As a final note to Mr. Morrison, I would like to point out your load of absolute trash about the fact that its because Obama is black is the lowest you have stooped in this thread. The man HIMSELF has said that he doesn't feel like it has been that large of an issue since he has been in office. Pelosi has said it as well! It's just Jimbo Carter (The WORST president in recent history), you, and a few others who are still flinging this load. Drop the race card, its no longer necessary and I would have to say that if anything it has been working in his favor.

I'll break it down so you can understand it...

I'm pretty sure I addressed points that were all in this thread as this post was directly after your post attacking Bush. I then stated that I felt his tactic were justifiable as we never had another terrorist attack after 9/11. I then gave an example using a specific situation.

In the same rant I'm addressing above, you also said that Bush was violating Human Rights and using patriotism (this may have been a little earlier) to shut people up and throwing people in jail under the impression they were terrorists. NBC HATED Bush and I don't think they were ever imprisoned or deprived of their rights to free speach on the matter.

This is where I probably confused you, I should have put a paragraph spacer here to alert you that I was changing subjects a few different times to address different topics and to point out that you need to present sources if you're going to present facts, you never do. So, I have taken the liberty and done that above.

Finally, I addressed your comment about the fact that its all because Obama is black and he just needs a good ole white boy name. It's crap and I'm guessing you can decipher that from the post above.

Now, that wasn't too difficult was it and it all seemed pretty relevent to the post you had just made above it...


As for the emotional thing... not really...

I had some fun with Dale last night. Didn't really get emotionally into it but it was a nice break from editing photos and writing a pretty good sized paper on the Comparison between the Japanese invasion/occupation of Taiwan and Manchuria... it was cut and dry and I needed a laugh. The names were just a better way to get under his skin It's a forum, I like to have fun with it

Skippy

 

[Pruddock]

Now I know that Skippy is going to come in here and harangue me about it going "both ways" and it does. And I don't deny that. But when I complain about the things a president is doing...I at least complain about the things that he REALLY did...not the stuff that someone else made up...

I'm actually done messin' with you Chris. I was writing that last post and realized its not worth it. I'm going to have to take the high road out of here and many future discussions and say that I have a lot of respect for you when it comes to your knowledge of snakes, field herping, and your willingness to help others in the herp community. I have a hard time with some of your brashness towards some members, as I'm sure you do with mine as you've brought up with my recent comments to Dale. I accept that. We do not agree on politics and I'm going to have to just agree to disagree with you and be done. You're probably not going to change my mind and I'm probably not going to change yours. Agreed?

Dale, before leavin' the thread for the last time as an active poster I'm going to have to apologize somewhat for the comments last night and thank you for the new nickname, I'm going with it. I also hope we can agree to disagree on our political/whatever views and maybe I'll catch you over on some of the snake related threads.

I'm putting down my stick and walking away from the dead horse

Skippy

 

[tyflier]

I'll break it down so you can understand it...

I'm pretty sure I addressed points that were all in this thread as this post was directly after your post attacking Bush. I then stated that I felt his tactic were justifiable as we never had another terrorist attack after 9/11. I then gave an example using a specific situation.

We still haven't had any. The three from the past couple weeks were all caught. Tough to be a terrorist bombing when you get caught before anything gets bombed. And don't kid yourself into thinking the three this month are the only ones since 9/11/01. I fear it has very little to do with Bush OR Obama, and has more to do with a global view of the US...particularly, this being a good time to attack, sionce the country is so obviously divided...We are being viewed as weak because of our internal struggles.

In the same rant I'm addressing above, you also said that Bush was violating Human Rights and using patriotism (this may have been a little earlier) to shut people up and throwing people in jail under the impression they were terrorists. NBC HATED Bush and I don't think they were ever imprisoned or deprived of their rights to free speach on the matter.

First...I NEVER stated that Bush put people in jail or Gitmo for talking out against him. I said he put people in Gitmo and POW camps because of their religous beliefs, the color of their skin, and/or their country of origin. And he did. A LOT. That's what "Racial Profiling" is all about, and if you think it didn't happen during the Bush administration...you're more blinded than I thought. Unfortunately, in the U.S., this is a violation of your Civil Rights, and a direct violation of the Constitution of the U.S.

This is where I probably confused you, I should have put a paragraph spacer here to alert you that I was changing subjects a few different times to address different topics and to point out that you need to present sources if you're going to present facts, you never do. So, I have taken the liberty and done that above.

My sources are the news. Cnn, msnbc, FOX, The Daily Show with Joh Stewart, The Colbert Report...I watch all of them. If you did, you would know where my referances are. I don't hide the fact that I spend very little time searching and scouring the internet for referance material. I think it's a waste of time, just to debate with someone, to run around looking for articles. When I have posted direct numbers, I (usually) post the Poll referance that I used, even if it isn't a direct link, I mention when and where I heard/saw it. You don't have to like my manner of citing sources for it to be valid...but whether or not you like it..."I saw it on msnbc" is citing a source...

Finally, I addressed your comment about the fact that its all because Obama is black and he just needs a good ole white boy name. It's crap and I'm guessing you can decipher that from the post above.

I never said that. I said if he was NOT black, and he did NOT have such an obscure and obviously Muslim name, there wouldn't be as much trouble. And it's true. If it weren't, than his birth certificate, citizenship, "terrorist ties", religious loyalties, and even his patriotic loyalties would not have been questioned to even 1/10 the degree they have.

Sorry...I don't have a resourceful poll to provide you with for that one. It's purely conjecture on my part. But when every negative thread, at some point, mentions his "ties to terrorists", his love of the Muslim Religion, or his race...it's tough to deny that it has a LOT to do with why so many people distrust him. But you can keep trying, if you'd like...I know you will.

Now, that wasn't too difficult was it and it all seemed pretty relevent to the post you had just made above it...

No, it wasn't difficult. But as I said above...it doesn't make any sense, and it's irrelevant. So I ignored it. But if you insist...

As for the emotional thing... not really...

I don't buy that for a single second, and neither does anyone else reading this thread.

I had some fun with Dale last night. Didn't really get emotionally into it but it was a nice break from editing photos and writing a pretty good sized paper on the Comparison between the Japanese invasion/occupation of Taiwan and Manchuria... it was cut and dry and I needed a laugh. The names were just a better way to get under his skin It's a forum, I like to have fun with it

Skippy

At least when I got emotional and had emotional responses...I was man enough to own up to it as an emotional response. I didn't apologioze for it, I remain unapologetic, and I still stand behind my emotional tirades, come hell or high water. That's called taking responsibility for my words. Try it.

One last thing, PEAOYTON...a great and wise man once said, "Those who are willing to give up their Freedoms in exchange for security, deserve neither." I could be wrong, but I believe it was attributed to Benjamin Franklin. It has also been said, "It is better to let a thousand guilty men go free than to imprison even one innocent man." I have no idea who gets credit for that, but it rings true...just as true as good ol' Benjamin Franklin, the Traitor and terrorist(gotta love history). I don't care WHY the Bush Administration tried so hard to dissolve my Civil Liberties and suppress my Civil Rights. I care only that it DID...and it almost succeeded.

I refuse to "agree to disagree" about this. You claim indoctrination and similarities to Hitler, than try to bow out, as if your accusations were all a joke and in good fun. BS. For almost 8 years, I listened to the Bush administration tell me to trust them, they would protect me, while they slowly but surely stripped away my Civil Rights. For almost 8 years, I was told that if I didn't support the President(not the troops, not the war on terrorism, not the people fighting and dying...the President), I was unpatriotic and anti-American. For almost 8 years, I was forced to sit idly by while the Bush administration stole from the people(private profits, and public debts), started wars based on lies that were KNOWN to be lies, used fear and hate mongering to control the citizens of this country, and stripped us all of our most basic Constitutional Rights, all under the guise of National Security and the War on Terrorism.

And now you expect me to just sit here, and "agree to disagree" when people are up in arms over words that were never spoken, ideals that were never stated, and claims that are unnjustified? You expect me to sit here and casually accept your right to compare Obama to Hitler, all the while justifying the most totalitarian President we have ever had? Why? Because some teacher made up a cute little song, trying to give the kids a sense of positivity in a world full of fear, terror and uncertainty?

Son...you must be out your mind...

And I won't call you Skppy. I prefer PAEOyton... This way I know it's close...

 

[tyflier]

I'm actually done messin' with you Chris. I was writing that last post and realized its not worth it. I'm going to have to take the high road out of here and many future discussions and say that I have a lot of respect for you when it comes to your knowledge of snakes, field herping, and your willingness to help others in the herp community. I have a hard time with some of your brashness towards some members, as I'm sure you do with mine as you've brought up with my recent comments to Dale. I accept that. We do not agree on politics and I'm going to have to just agree to disagree with you and be done. You're probably not going to change my mind and I'm probably not going to change yours. Agreed?

Dale, before leavin' the thread for the last time as an active poster I'm going to have to apologize somewhat for the comments last night and thank you for the new nickname, I'm going with it. I also hope we can agree to disagree on our political/whatever views and maybe I'll catch you over on some of the snake related threads.

I'm putting down my stick and walking away from the dead horse

Skippy

Messin' with me? You're not "messin'" with me...you're fighting a losing battle, and you know it, so you are trying to save some face, feign some grace, and bow out before you get yourself more riled up. Don't condescend me. You should have put down your stick loooooong ago...

 

[starsevol]

And I won't call you Skppy. I prefer PAEOyton... This way I know it's close...

PLease correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that deliberately making fun of a person's name is a bannable offense.....

Chris, I really used to respect the hell out of you...but the way you have behaved in this thread and others changed all that. You call it "owning your words", but I see it as reveling in saying hideous unforgivable and unforgettable things. You have hit a new low. Not that you would care a bit, because in your head if a person has ANY conservative views, they are automatically a racist bigotted gay-hating "fundie". I know YOU don't care, but it makes me sad. I liked things alot better when I respected you....
I saw alot of low blows and hate from you, and I sure as hell did not appreciate how you treated me in another thread. (called me "dearie" or something equally as condescending)
I thought you were better than that.

 

[Roy Munson]

PLease correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that deliberately making fun of a person's name is a bannable offense...

There are gray areas. You've benefited from them yourself, from time to time, my friend.

I'm about to start going all medeival on y'all if I don't start seeing more civility and less biased post reporting.

 

[starsevol]

There are gray areas. You've benefited from them yourself, from time to time, my friend.

I'm about to start going all medeival on y'all if I don't start seeing more civility and less biased post reporting.

You could have a point.

Is it Medieval or medeval and if you do, will it hurt?

 

[ForkedTung]

medeival on y'all

Pulp Fiction?

 

[starsevol]

Pulp Fiction?

I never saw that one, it had mixed reviews...
did you like it?