• Hello!

    Either you have not registered on this site yet, or you are registered but have not logged in. In either case, you will not be able to use the full functionality of this site until you have registered, and then logged in after your registration has been approved.

    Registration is FREE, so please register so you can participate instead of remaining a lurker....

    Please be certain that the location field is correctly filled out when you register. All registrations that appear to be bogus will be rejected. Which means that if your location field does NOT match the actual location of your registration IP address, then your registration will be rejected.

    Sorry about the strictness of this requirement, but it is necessary to block spammers and scammers at the door as much as possible.

President May be in Trouble

Ugh. I just found this thread. I came here to get away from the ugliness of politics, our lying crooked president and his lying crooked Congress. Have at it. I'll be on the snake threads.
 
Just look at how many innocent people people lost their lives in Afghanistan/Iraq. Only few were actual terrorists but innocent civilians. Not sure how one can be proud of killing innocent people - on both sides.

Well I do still think more negative comes from all this. There are very few good sides to a war. And I was not only taking about the American military. Hence I said on both sides.
 
So if they are not proud of killing others and come home with mental issues how can they be proud to serve their country?? By serving their country they inevitably kill innocent civilians.

Again both sides. All sides actually. Hence I don't understand why so many people volunteer to serve. And you are right, maybe I don't understand it because I have never served nor am I going to. I'd probably rather get killed without a fight than raise a weapon at another human being. Some may call it weak, but this is my utter conviction.
 
Ok here goes...would you rather that more people died in the death camps in WWII and we just let Hitler reach his "final solution"?
Do you wish there was no army to stop them?
 
No one on earth, expect a villain, is proud of killing innocent people. Period.

My employee that killed a civilian on accident built a memorial grave for him and took supplies to his family after the village was cleared of rebel fighters. His unit did everything they could to help the civilians in that area. That is common mentality of soldiers there, they want to help not kill.

Show me ONE person who is proud of killing innocents that was on the side trying to defend.
 
Bonkers_Scar2011 said:
No I wish there would have never been an Army to support him and an Army that had to stop him in the first place.
Click to expand...

Well you can just sit there and wish your life away, but facing reality is much healthier. Nations will have armies. Atrocities will happen. Nothing your wishing is going to do about that. And since atrocities happen no matter how you feel about it, there had damn well better be a counter measure.
 
It's totally fine to feel so strongly about not liking war, I respect that, but please respect that people who have family that gave their lives for freedom might feel differently.

No side is right or wrong.

I am not going to call you weak or stupid for it, that would be just as hurtful as implying anyone in the military is a warmonger.
 
Yeah but there would be no need to protect/defend civilians if there were no army at all. I do not think you understand what I am trying to say here. I am all for no Army of any kind no matter in what country. No military means no soldiers, no soldiers mean no fighting and no fighting means no war. That is what I am hoping for. And that is what this world needs. We will destroy ourselves sooner or later. Just look at the world, it is not gonna get better if things don't change. And not only war wise - in general!! This is not about personal attacks aimed at your family members. I would say the exact same thing to a member of my family if they were in the military.
 
When Mark volunteered in the combat hospital, most of the Iraqi civilians where injured by IEDs. Those IED were put in place not by the Americans but by the Iraqis themselves. One 8 yr old boy we in the hospital because he was ran over by a truck. They just threw him out of a moving vehicle at the gates of the base. It was American soldiers who took him to the hospital. There was also a pregnant lady that had came in being injured by an IED. She lost her baby and her left arm.
 
Bonkers_Scar2011 said:
Yeah but there would be no need to protect/defend civilians if there were no army at all. I do not think you understand what I am trying to say here. I am all for no Army of any kind no matter in what country. No military means no soldiers, no soldiers mean no fighting and no fighting means no war. That is what I am hoping for. And that is what this world needs. We will destroy ourselves sooner or later. Just look at the world, it is not gonna get better if things don't change. And not only war wise - in general!! This is not about personal attacks aimed at your family members. I would say the exact same thing to a member of my family if they were in the military.
Click to expand...

That is naive. How about police? How about mobs of thugs? How about ANY large group of people?
It is all the same. Just saying "no armies" means squat. Any leader who has followers can assemble an "army" of sorts.

You can't undo what has already been done. The horses have left that barn.
 
There is evil in the world. To not accept that is irresponsible. Not to realize there is always a party or group of people looking for power.
 
starsevol said:
That is naive. How about police? How about mobs of thugs? How about ANY large group of people?
It is all the same. Just saying "no armies" means squat. Any leader who has followers can assemble an "army" of sorts.

You can't undo what has already been done. The horses have left that barn.
Click to expand...

Yeah and that is why pointless wars are being fought. I rather am naive than a supporter.

There's no hope for the human race anyway if wars/fights and thugs are a normal part of every day life and people just accept it. Why do we have military and police then if its an inevitable fact that the fighting/murdering and wars are never going to stop? Why not just stop now then and watch our downfall. According to you nothing can be changed anyway.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
There is evil in the world. To not accept that is irresponsible. Not to realize there is always a party or group of people looking for power.
Click to expand...

Exactly. As long as their are humans, there is a potential for evil.

You need police, military, militia, or some form of defense to protect the innocents from evil.

If there was no defense at all, chaos would erupt, it's basic human nature to have power struggles. We are not a herd mentality type of creature.
 
Bonkers_Scar2011 said:
Yeah and that is why pointless wars are being fought. I rather am naive than a supporter.

There's no hope for the human race anyway if wars/fights and thugs are a normal part of every day life and people just accept it. Why do we have military and police then if its an inevitable fact that the fighting/murdering and wars are never going to stop? Why not just stop now then and watch our downfall. According to you nothing can be changed anyway.
Click to expand...


Basically you are saying there has been no hope for the human race from the beginning. We were doomed from the start. Our downfall won't be caused by war, if that was true we would be gone already as war began while we were still writing on cave walls.

BloodyBaroness said:
Exactly. As long as their are humans, there is a potential for evil.

You need police, military, militia, or some form of defense to protect the innocents from evil.

If there was no defense at all, chaos would erupt, it's basic human nature to have power struggles. We are not a herd mentality type of creature.
Click to expand...

EXACTLY!!!!!!
 
Bonkers_Scar2011 said:
It's like the never ending story. Nothing will or can be changed, so it is just going to get worse.
Click to expand...

Welcome to being a modern day human.

Humans have fought for better land, crops, or things since day one, all animal species do it. It's part of the survival instinct.

Granted some of things going on in today's world have gone past what would be considered normal behavior, like the bigger wars, but in the absence of that, you still have the minor conflicts.
 
I totally agree that if I could wave a magic wand and eliminate ALL armies and ALL criminals, I would. In that case, we could also eliminate the police, since they wouldn't be needed. I would also wave my wand and eliminate harmful drugs, too, while I am at it (guess I would have to decide which ones are the most harmful, and which have some benefit, lol!).

But since I can't do that, I have to figure out the best way to cope with the world the way it really is. Unfortunately, that means military and police to combat the "bad guys". But I also sure wish it wasn't needed!
 
And that is the sad part!!!! Just shows that we aren't as smart as we would like to think if nothing has changed since we were living in caves!!!!

What about war free countries? What's wrong with them? Why aren't they starting wars and chaos if its what we do best.
 
kathylove said:
I totally agree that if I could wave a magic wand and eliminate ALL armies and ALL criminals, I would. In that case, we could also eliminate the police, since they wouldn't be needed. I would also wave my wand and eliminate harmful drugs, too, while I am at it (guess I would have to decide which ones are the most harmful, and which have some benefit, lol!).

But since I can't do that, I have to figure out the best way to cope with the world the way it really is. Unfortunately, that means military and police to combat the "bad guys". But I also sure wish it wasn't needed!
Click to expand...

Thank you! I know it is not that easy to just end it all (if not impossible). I do wish for it tho.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top