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President May be in Trouble
- Thread starter Outcast
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Not to turn this into a discussion about religion, but if you believe in God, you have to believe in the devil. Heck, believing in the devil even without the belief in God is rather easy to do. Just look around you.
Who else could create the perversion of religions that will KILL as part of their religious beliefs? How can there truly be something good behind something as perverse as a "holy war"? God would be behind this?
And what, actually, is the goal of "terrorism"? What is the creation of terror supposed to accomplish for the terrorists?
And lastly, why hasn't God just washed his hands of us foolish mortals completely? Or perhaps he already has. I would have difficulty arguing against that premise.
Who else could create the perversion of religions that will KILL as part of their religious beliefs? How can there truly be something good behind something as perverse as a "holy war"? God would be behind this?
And what, actually, is the goal of "terrorism"? What is the creation of terror supposed to accomplish for the terrorists?
And lastly, why hasn't God just washed his hands of us foolish mortals completely? Or perhaps he already has. I would have difficulty arguing against that premise.
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
Because red shirts are the first to go.
He already has Rich.
It's the end times.
More people are killed in name of "God" or "a God" than any other reason. Most war are started for supposedly "holy" reasons, it does not make much sense.
Michael823
New member
There's no president who's ever led a country without violence occuring under their administration. And the man is (like it or not) a Nobel Peace winning president.
More to my point.. I voted for peace from a more broad perspective. I voted on behalf of my believe that any issue can be reasoned without violence, and certainly without innocent people being harmed/killed. I don't believe that the military is anything more than a band-aid for a much more complex set of issues. And it solicits lesser privileged youth (18-25) to fight/kill for a cause that they can't possibly understand, just to have some extra money and a feeling of brotherhood.
Michael823
New member
*belief not "believe".
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
Solicits youth, pfft. Negative there scooter. It is bloody hard to get into the military right now. My cousin was just accepted by the Navy after months of hard work. He has a 4.0 average and constantly tests high on physical skills. Because the employment situation is so bleak, many are turning to the military for a job because there are no other options in some places.
Right now they can screen at will and only take the best and brightest. Far from catering to the "lesser privileged who want extra money," as you so finely put it.
It is hard to get in right now, you have to really want it and prove you have the know-how and are capable. It's not a rag-tag band of youths looking for a hand out and someone to play poker with.
Carinata
Ever Evolving Exotics
Michael, I can't help but ask if you've ever met an had a conversation with any members of our military? I have spoken with many of them and I neber got them impression that you are portraying. As President Obama has initiated more drone attacks than any prior and he's the only modern president to assasinate US citizens. Is that not violent?
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
Indeed David.
I will never know everything, but I least try to be mildly educated about something before I make brash statements and swallow my own foot.
Although, some people do have blinders on when it comes to Obama, and refuse to believe it.
Obama’s 262 Drone Strikes in Pakistan
A map of all the reported attacks—five times as many under Obama as under Bush.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/06/obama_drone_strikes_the_president_ordered_more_than_george_w_bush.html Look, a handy map.
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
And before that well "blah blah Romney" argument gets going again, I don't feel like he was a super great choice either. I did like him a bit a better than Obama on somethings, and those things were enough to sway my vote.
TRUTH BE TOLD Ron Paul was where it was at IMHO, he would have made a fine choice. His last address to Congress was deeply moving.
TRUTH BE TOLD Ron Paul was where it was at IMHO, he would have made a fine choice. His last address to Congress was deeply moving.
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Yeah, and Yasser Arafat was a Nobel Peace Prize winner as well.
I presume you are referring to Obama when you say "the man".
So tell me, what exactly was it that Obama DID to earn the Nobel Peace Prize? Especially considering that he actually BECAME president of the USA less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline for that prize. So perhaps he did something notable before becoming president? Enlighten me, please.
Perhaps this "Nobel Peace Prize" doesn't mean what many of us think it means.
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BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
A lot of people did that, you are certainly not alone there.
It was one of those "noise, jobs noise, partisan waffle, noise, Ron Paul, economy, noise. Vote. Oh wait, I heard something in all that." Kind of deals.
Far too many people where quick to point and blame, and not really listen to anyone. I did it myself early on, then when it was clear he would never have shot at enough votes, made the choice I did.
beautifullywild77
Go Penguins!!!
Very well stated!
BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
He organize the heck out of that community? :shrugs:
Seems like whatever it was got buried under his love of drone strikes.
Michael823
New member
Eh.. not arguing about research. Obviously people are willing to be petty, not my type of game.
Side note, where did I mention military members?.. I can't argue with defensiveness and pride. I feel how I feel about our country's role in the world, and violence has little place. But I did not mention anyone in a disrespectful way.. I left that for the group of you who enjoy doing that. My comments were strictly of my own personal beliefs. That's all.
But, Philosophical/hypothetical question.. What incident in this country would allow you to tell your 18yr old child that picking up a gun is a good means to resolve the situation?.. now take it across the globe, and somehow it's more justifiable?.
I respect and honor all of the great people, who through their circumstance or opportunity came into the military. But I strongly disagree with the ideals behind the superiority complex that tends to follow such a desire for control, that 'some' people show. But one of the best people I know was in the military. It stands in no contrast to appreciate the person he (and his wife) are, and disagree with the things the military may have had them do. I actually have just about as many military as non in my family (extended).. can't say they're all my most cherished family, but that's a different discussion.
Point is, if people are offended by people who talk peace, what's ever going to be good enough for you?.. food and education is much more vital than weapons. Basic knowledge. Peace is just about promoting progressive agendas, not destroy and rebuild ones.
Side note, where did I mention military members?.. I can't argue with defensiveness and pride. I feel how I feel about our country's role in the world, and violence has little place. But I did not mention anyone in a disrespectful way.. I left that for the group of you who enjoy doing that. My comments were strictly of my own personal beliefs. That's all.
But, Philosophical/hypothetical question.. What incident in this country would allow you to tell your 18yr old child that picking up a gun is a good means to resolve the situation?.. now take it across the globe, and somehow it's more justifiable?.
I respect and honor all of the great people, who through their circumstance or opportunity came into the military. But I strongly disagree with the ideals behind the superiority complex that tends to follow such a desire for control, that 'some' people show. But one of the best people I know was in the military. It stands in no contrast to appreciate the person he (and his wife) are, and disagree with the things the military may have had them do. I actually have just about as many military as non in my family (extended).. can't say they're all my most cherished family, but that's a different discussion.
Point is, if people are offended by people who talk peace, what's ever going to be good enough for you?.. food and education is much more vital than weapons. Basic knowledge. Peace is just about promoting progressive agendas, not destroy and rebuild ones.
beautifullywild77
Go Penguins!!!
Nothing is wrong with talking peace. But people make assumptions about all military members killing innocent civilians and insinuating they are all souless murderers, it tends to hit a nerve. Especially for those of us that have sacrificed a "normal" life while someone we love served their country.Hell, we all want peace. We don't like sending our love ones off to war. Like I said before, not every job in the military involves picking up a gun and going on the front line so to speak. My husband wasn't even issued a gun on one deployment to Iraq. Most service members don't believe the reasons behind going to war, but it is their job to follow orders. Most orders come from congress or the President and trickles down the chain of command.
