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stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be

I appreciate the sentiment Rob and I concur with both. The one thing I know for certain is that on computers it is very hard to tell sentiment, tone, etc. and mood prior to and going into something definitely always plays a factor as its more likely to influence how you interpret what your reading than if you were talking to someone over the phone or face to face.

Most definitely agreed. Tone is very difficult to convey over text, and it's caused more than one argument on this forum, believe it or not. :grin01:

But I did mean what I said before. We'd like to get a chance to know YOU before you go diving head first into controversial threads, guns a-blazing. Hell, when I first joined this forum (4-ish years ago), a couple people here thought I was bat-crap bonkers. And then they got to know me. Now they're absolutely positive I am. :laugh:
 
For what its worth, I think everyone is absolutely bat-crap bonkers. Some of us are just better at hiding it than others. I am obviously one of those that is not so good at the hiding part. I keep my bat bonkers right out there on my sleeve for everyone to see.
 
Wow just wow ...

Just one LAST thing ...

We all GET that you LOVE your hybrids - well that's amazing - FOR YOU - and if you think that people are calling you names - that's ENTIRELY your OWN fault!!!!! It's like you're talking to yourself without actually reading and taking in posts of others... YOU make yourself look bad! There's nothing more to say to this whole DRAMA!!!

Is it possible to make yourself look good by telling other people they are making themselves look bad?

Me blaming the victim? There's no victim IMO! You could of just read the thread, stated your opinion in ONE post and actually waited for people to respond instead of posting every two seconds and kicking off at people who were only trying to explain something to you.

There is no right or wrong. Some people do not want hybrids in their collection, some do. This is a never ending story and starting it all over again will do no good. But go for it and add another 50 odd pages to an already very long thread.

I personally might not like the look of a particular "natural" corn morph - do I bash people who do NO. I also might not be fond of certain hybrids but again to each their own. Think that's enough said.

You appear to be very bothered by this thread being resurrected. And yet, you seem to find yourself unable to not read it, and respond.

Yes he left ONE strong post, apologized and MOVED ON. And I try reading your posts, but can't keep up with them as you post every two seconds! Besides or only repeating yourself anyway. Hybrids are amazing, over and over and over....

I'm sorry, I seem to not have grasped what you said the first two times. Could you please repeat that?

you're only repeating*

Yeah, repeat that please?

Bloody hell, please tell me you are not always this awkward! Soldier or not. You have done enough quoting already. You truly are a lost cause. Good Night Mr.

PS: Stop feeling sorry for yourself, you're not a victim. But you are doing a great job at looking like a troll and putting other members off of you.

I hadn't realized this was humanitarian counseling. Thanks for the clarification.

Bloody hell, please tell me you are not always this awkward! Soldier or not. You have done enough quoting already. You truly are a lost cause. Good Night Mr.

PS: Stop feeling sorry for yourself, you're not a victim. But you are doing a great job at looking like a troll and putting other members off of you.

There seems to be some misunderstanding or confusion regarding a new site member's enthusiasm for finding information new to them, and the presumptions made by older members on the site. If I don't know someone much, I believe it would be unwise to make presumptions about them being a troll, or making blanket statements about drama, nor presenting castigationally haughty replies at said persons. Please take it down a thousand.
 
I tend to hide the crap part or at least I think I am, but that seems to get away from me just from the smell of it... kinda gets noticed.
 
Bonkers, good night. As for this thread, I didn't exactly go looking at the date on this thread when I posted. I'm kind of new here, but that being besides the point... I think I may have allowed a bit of sarcasm and hostility to flow over from the posts I was reading. A little bit builds up and I apologize for that. Sometimes a bit of introspection is needed and yes, even rereading a post latter to try and see it through a different perspective. My only intention at first was to show support for those that were hybridizing. My apologies if I came of any other way. And yes, there are some very passionate people on this forum. That is probably why I got sucked into this as I am equally passionate about this topic. I should know better than to try and use logic where passion is so intimately involved in both parties.

By this and some of your following posts, I do believe you've got it! :cheers:

That most certainly depends on what kind of mood we're both in. :grin01:
That being said, I'll have a drink with you, as long as we discuss anything BUT this. :cheers:

Also, no discussing feeding live versus F/T or cohabitation, and enter any political or religious thread at your own risk.

Most definitely agreed. Tone is very difficult to convey over text, and it's caused more than one argument on this forum, believe it or not. :grin01:

But I did mean what I said before. We'd like to get a chance to know YOU before you go diving head first into controversial threads, guns a-blazing. Hell, when I first joined this forum (4-ish years ago), a couple people here thought I was bat-crap bonkers. And then they got to know me. Now they're absolutely positive I am. :laugh:

Now Robbie dear, you know full well that you are well beyond "bat-crap bonkers". However, you still haven't caught up to me yet.
 
Hey...

I just read the whole thread and I guess I am on the "who cares" side.
Why?

Because there is NO way of telling if a corn snake is a "pure" corn. Even a wc specimen could have come in contact with a different species or subspecies of snake and produced relatively normal looking offspring. WC corns that look "different" are the basis of most morphs today, so who is to say where those traits came from? With the number of species of snakes kept as pets today, and the number of snakes that escape to the wild every year, who is to say that a non-native subspecies of rat snake bred with a native species? For instance, my VERY first corn (anery) got out and someone thought she was a great plains rat snake and put her outside. So a non-native corn could have survived and bred with a native rat snake. Someone years from now may find offspring of this snake and collect it as a "pure" rat snake. The same goes for corns in Florida, Georgia, etc. There is simply no way of knowing what the background of any wild OR captive animal is. So the point for both sides, to me, seems moot. You cannot 100% claim that a collection is pure. There is ALWAYS the possibility that there is some sort of alien gene floating around in there.

Honestly, one can make the argument, that since snakes of all species are descended from a common ancestor, that any morphs found in one species, can therefore be found in another. SO that means the piebald, leopard, etc traits in ball pythons, can probably be dug up in corns and any other species of snake as well. So, when it comes to rat snake intergrades, who cares if the "white sided" gene came from the rat snake or the corn snake? Eventually, in the so-called "pure" lines, a white sided corn snake will pop up as well. It just depends what color genes are turned on when.

I do NOT have an issue with people breeding snakes to different snakes, I LOVE hybrids. I think they are absolutely gorgeous (most of the time). Those that look more like one species than they do as hybrids though, still should be sold as a hybrid. You cannot guarantee what the buyer may do, but at least you, as the breeder, were responsible enough to sell the offspring as hybrids. Also, selling a snake to someone who hybreeds (?) does not ruin your snake. Your snake is still what it was before.

I LOVE my ultramels. When I sell offspring will I label them as hybrids? No, because I don't personally believe that they are hybrids. I would be more willing to believe that tesseras are hybrids than they are, because, if tessera is a dominant morph.. then HOW did the original breeder get them? Did he not get them out of a stripe project, indicating that tessera was recessive for one or both parents? (Yes, I know I opened a can of worms there)
I will however, label any offspring, even those not displaying the ultra trait, as having ultra in their backgrounds.

I guess I like beating dead horses....
 
Oh no! D: The thread was resolved again by the time I posted :( Oh well. I guess it'll go for another short spin.
 
Yeah, again, I am happy that I didn't get involved with this like last time.

Just one big "facepalm"..LOL!!

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Well Dave I just stated my opinion and I found it VERY frustrating last night, and thanks for singling me out as well I wasn't the only one who had an issue with it.

That's great if is he is not a troll but bloody hell seriously what's left to say about hybrids? You will never agree on the same thing - especially you where perfectly normal (slightly alien gened) HYBRIDS are King food! And he loves hybrids sooo much he has to quote every single positive post in this whole thread!
 
I just skimmed this whole thread in about 36 seconds and would like to add that I'm pro liger. It's pretty much my favorite animal...
 
Mona, Have you ever noticed how persons whom single out others often take issue with being singled out themselves?. My favorite hybrid is the Krait X Hippo.
 
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Fair enough Dave, I don't want to get into an argument, I simply stated my opinion and still stand by it lol
Agree or disagree, doesn't make a difference to me.

Ps: Loving all those hybrids :)
 
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