stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be

[DMong]

DMong, I think people see you as a "bad guy" because of how aggressive and "mean" you are when arguing or debating with someone. Just because it's your opinion and concern doesn't mean you have to be so condescending to others who do not agree.

That's my thought anyway, just from observing your posts from the side lines.
Don't try to force your opinions on, or ridicule others and your arguments are just as valid.

It's pretty tough to be real passive with hugs and kisses regarding this issue. What about the other's that make their personal insults to me when I state some facts that they don't particularly want to here?. Thing is, I would probably be your best friend if your views were similar. It all depends on what sideline you are on. :duck:

 

[Tara80]

No one should be rude, condescending, or ridicule others during a subjective debate. It applies to everyone; people stop listening to you and actually will move *away* from you.
Contrary to how you may feel, you generally make more of an impression and cause more people to listen to you if you speak calmly, intelligently yet passionately for what you believe. Name calling and ridiculing only makes you look ignorant and causes avoidance.

 

[DMong]

Also,.......I have TONS of saved personal info on the ultra/ultramel thing from all the "players" involved. I ain't about to start posting it here, because instead of a "bad guy", I'd be looked at as a "HORRIBLE guy" and would never here the end of the bickering.

 

[Tara80]

I'm actually very interested on what you've got about the ultra line.
I have a few ultramels myself and would love to know definitively, where they originated from.
I've heard two different stories from two very prominent people in this hobby.

 

[Vinman]

It's pretty tough to be real passive with hugs and kisses regarding this issue. What about the other's that make their personal insults to me when I state some facts that they don't particularly want to here?. Thing is, I would probably be your best friend if your views were similar. It all depends on what sideline you are on. :duck:

nope it is they way you attack people it is they way you post . Just like coming on my thread and laughing at the down fall of my project. There was no reason for that. I don't care if someone disagrees with me or not but you got to learn to talk to people with respect. You also got to realize there are times you when it is not right to post your views and your just starting trouble

 

[DMong]

No one should be rude, condescending, or ridicule others during a subjective debate. It applies to everyone; people stop listening to you and actually will move *away* from you.
Contrary to how you may feel, you generally make more of an impression and cause more people to listen to you if you speak calmly, intelligently yet passionately for what you believe. Name calling and ridiculing only makes you look ignorant and causes avoidance.

You're doing a pretty good job of it yourself, now my feelings are hurt. Like I said before, it all depends on which "team" you are on.

 

[diamondlil]

You're doing a pretty good job of it yourself, now my feelings are hurt. Like I said before, it all depends on which "team" you are on.

I don't agree, a person can be totally neutral on an issue and then become irritated by an immature and denigrating posting style. In which case any chance of winning support is lost.....

 

[Vinman]

No Doug there is a right and a wrong way to debate a subject and you chose the wrong way. Hopefuly Tara's words make you think twice about what your writing before you submit your post

 

[DMong]

nope it is they way you attack people it is they way you post . Just like coming on my thread and laughing at the down fall of my project. There was no reason for that. I don't care if someone disagrees with me or not but you got to learn to talk to people with respect. You also got to realize there are times you when it is not right to post your views and your just starting trouble

You are a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black with your nasty "talking out of your butthole" comment you made to me over there. Yeah, you are one friendly and bubbly guy alright! :roflmao:

 

[Tara80]

I enjoy reading a really good debate! Especially when it's something like this.
I'd like to have more information.

I hate seeing it cluttered (On BOTH sides) with finger pointing and name calling.

I wish I had a window back in time to look and see the first parentage of ultra.

 

[DMong]

Dmong do you have any albino corns or corns decended from corns that came from albinos

Vinman,.....no I don't. I'm sure you are trying to show me a hybrid lesson in there, so please share, would you?

 

[Vinman]

You are a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black with your nasty "talking out of your butthole" comment you made to me over there. Yeah, you are one friendly and bubbly guy alright! :roflmao:

I called it like I seen it . You had noputting down my project. Weather you liked it or not. It was not a dicusstion of weather hybrids were right or wrong it was a thread about my hybred project. You were out of line and acted like a butt hole. I posted up that thread to talk about the breeding project and the hopeful out come of the offspring.

This is what I'm talking about No one askled weather you liked the project because it was a hybrid. You had no business posting that comment. You just came on there starting trouble and you wonder why your not liked

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65927

post 33

 

[dave partington]

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[Vinman]

Vinman,.....no I don't. I'm sure you are trying to show me a hybrid lesson in there, so please share, would you?

As you may know the first albino corn is a wild caught albino male caught in NC was bred to a emoryi before they bred it to a corn. You claim to have pure corn stock and then you go and say you have mutations in your colection. If they are corn snake mutations then your in the same boat with everyone else . You got hobby stock and most likely got something else besides corn snake in your animals

 

[DMong]

I'm actually very interested on what you've got about the ultra line.
I have a few ultramels myself and would love to know definitively, where they originated from.
I've heard two different stories from two very prominent people in this hobby.

Out of respect for the very well-known people that I have this information from, I am not going to dredge this issue back up and get these people involved.


cheers, ~Doug

 

[tsst]

Oops ... sorry I didn't realize this thread was about snakes ... :grin01: :sidestep:

 

[DMong]

I called it like I seen it . You had noputting down my project. Weather you liked it or not. It was not a dicusstion of weather hybrids were right or wrong it was a thread about my hybred project. You were out of line and acted like a butt hole. I posted up that thread to talk about the breeding project and the hopeful out come of the offspring.

This is what I'm talking about No one askled weather you liked the project because it was a hybrid. You had no business posting that comment. You just came on there starting trouble and you wonder why your not liked

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65927

post 33

Wonder why I'm not liked?..HAHA!! Dude, I could care less if a few pro-hybrid people such as yourself don't like me. As a matter of fact, I would fully expect them not to. See, I am "liked" by many people in this hobby, just not from your end.

So when are you going to stop the jabs and insults?

 

[Vinman]

Wonder why I'm not liked?..HAHA!! Dude, I could care less if a few pro-hybrid people such as yourself don't like me. As a matter of fact, I would fully expect them not to. See, I am "liked" by many people in this hobby, just not from your end.

So when are you going to stop the jabs and insults?

not throwing insults Just pointing how you are rude and why your are rubing people the wrong way . Please take it as constructive criticism.

I know first hand because when I first got a computer I used to post like you and made a lot of enemies.

As for being pro hybrid really think about it I klike hybrids only when done right . I'm not all for back breeding into a ssp that was used in a cross. If you listen to what I wrighting I'm just as disgusted as you are what has been done to the colubrids in the hobby. Making hybrids to make a different looking animal is one thing . but when you destroy a species for capital gain or lack of respect of the hobby is not exceptible in my book. I pissed off I can't trust any of the sinaloans and publans because some jerks wanted to profit by creating hybrids with a hypo hunduran. I'm right on the same page with you on that.

 

[DMong]

Vinman

Isn't there some designated hybrid forums for your disgussing all of those hybrid issues?. I wasn't aware that a "Honduran milksnake" or Gray-banded king had much to do with a cornsnake forum. Seems to me you wouldn't have to worry about any negative comments if you posted them where they belonged in the first place.

 

[DMong]

not throwing insults Just pointing how you are rude and why your are rubing people the wrong way .

Okay, thanks a bunch for pointing those things out. So what about the amel corn thing you asked me about?