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stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be

So where, exactly, do cali kings, or pueblan milks, or gopher snakes overlap with corns again??

Apalachicola kings overlap with eastern kings, or Florida kings. Those snakes, from the same genus, have intergrade populations.
 
When an opinion will never change that is something I call a prejudice. My opinions are always subject to change. Its the facts that I can't seem to change. I simply love hybrids whether they are hybrids that would not have occurred in nature without several species crosses in-between them to bridge the gaps thus diluting the original species starting at A and ending at Z. I find that thinking of hybrid genes starting in Canada and then being diluted through natural crosses between species and locals that eventually over time ended up in finding their genes in Peru is a wonderful testament to evolution and watching how the different phenotypes express themselves of such similar species/locals, etc. is fascinating. The fact is we are all related and that is beautiful.
 
Why do some people always think that they are victims
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Actually, it requires a fairly large measure of cognitive maturity to view a situation objectively, as if you were the observer and see yourself as an actor in the situation. It is called being able to take an outsider's perspective, a skill Piaget felt was developed in the Formal Operational Stage of development, the last stage to develop. Most people do not develop fully through that stage and only operate at a Formal level in some aspects of their lives. That is the ability that would be required to see one's own culpability in the problems one has.

and also

If they blame themselves, they have to admit that they aren't always the kind of person they want to be (we like to think well of ourselves) Blame someone else, and we can say "They're bad/wrong, not me" That's also why people like us more when we make them feel better about themselves.
 
I can accept that I am prejudiced against wierdly colored unnaturally created frankensnakes. Just like I am prejudiced against lab created gemstones over the real thing. Real is real.

I finally figured out what your posts remind me of.....hit me out of the blue!!
The teacher in a Charlie Brown cartoon!!
 
starsevol said:
Seems to me if the breeder has to trick a snake into breeding, maybe the snakes knows better than the breeder what should be, and what shouldn't......
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I know many males that would say they were tricked into the sack with another women. It didn't mean anything. With that said, it sounds like the snake is still inserting its hemipenis on its own? For what its worth, even if artificial insemination and collection is being practiced, we are talking about snakes that are not intended for the wild. These are snake hybrids being created for the hobbyist the same as peacock hybrids are created for hobbyists. The peacocks are tricked into breeding by moving them from separate geographical regions and then allowing them to occupy the same place. The evolutionary advantage of a scaleless morph versus a scaled snake or what we should breed for as concerns morphs of a single recognized species carries about as much weight as the argument... if it isn't found in nature it shouldn't be... Just doesn't hold any weight as long as you are producing morphs that would not occur in nature in the numbers that you are producing them. Morphs are not a naturally occurring phenomenon in the numbers they are being produced.
 
Nanci said:
So where, exactly, do cali kings, or pueblan milks, or gopher snakes overlap with corns again??
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Apparently in Carpe Serpentis' snake room......... :confused:

His endless posts are also making my head spin and email list light up like a freakin switchboard christmas tree, and grow several feet long too. I wonder when he is ever going to call it quits and stop stirring the kettle with the big canoe paddle???


~Doug
 
There is a huge difference between being prejudiced about a concept or idea and being insulting to a person or belittling a person. And, hybrids are real. Hybrids occur in nature. So, your real is real comment.... I'll just leave it at that.

One should always try to remain a little open minded when it comes to personal prejudices. In this way, one can see others opinions and realize that perhaps they carry as much weight as your own. Sometimes, facts may arise that may be over looked if prejudices are too strong. What is wrong though is belittling anyone or trying to shame a person to coerce another to believe that hybrids are wrong. You simply do not win arguments by calling names, swearing, or using any other denigrating remarks towards an individual.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
I know many males that would say they were tricked into the sack with another women. It didn't mean anything. With that said, it sounds like the snake is still inserting its hemipenis on its own? For what its worth, even if artificial insemination and collection is being practiced, we are talking about snakes that are not intended for the wild. These are snake hybrids being created for the hobbyist the same as peacock hybrids are created for hobbyists. The peacocks are tricked into breeding by moving them from separate geographical regions and then allowing them to occupy the same place. The evolutionary advantage of a scaleless morph versus a scaled snake or what we should breed for as concerns morphs of a single recognized species carries about as much weight as the argument... if it isn't found in nature it shouldn't be... Just doesn't hold any weight as long as you are producing morphs that would not occur in nature in the numbers that you are producing them. Morphs are not a naturally occurring phenomenon in the numbers they are being produced.
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When a breeder takes a female of the right species, and switches it with whatever at the last minute, thus fooling the male, yes he inserts his hemipenis on his own.
When a man gets drunk, high, horny, listens to the wrong woman and gets fooled....
Tells me the snake is STILL smarter than the human.
 
starsevol said:
I can accept that I am prejudiced against wierdly colored unnaturally created frankensnakes. Just like I am prejudiced against lab created gemstones over the real thing. Real is real.

I finally figured out what your posts remind me of.....hit me out of the blue!!
The teacher in a Charlie Brown cartoon!!
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Another attempt at making me look stupid. Another attempt to belittle me. I get that. But is it really the best way to express your opinion? My opinion is that hybrids are cool and beautiful to look at. The facts are hybrids occur in nature.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
These are snake hybrids being created for the hobbyist the same as peacock hybrids are created for hobbyists. The peacocks are tricked into breeding by moving them from separate geographical regions and then allowing them to occupy the same place.
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There it is!!! :dancer:
 
airenlow said:
There it is!!! :dancer:
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:noevil: Really?:noevil: I'm sorry, but I missed that one. That same argument is as valid as trying to say, I was tricked into cheating on my wife by being placed in the same proximity of another willing female.:flames: It just doesn't hold much water with many.
 
There is a huge difference between being prejudiced about a concept or idea and being insulting to a person or belittling a person. And, hybrids are real. Hybrids occur in nature. So, your real is real comment.... I'll just leave it at that.

One should always try to remain a little open minded when it comes to personal prejudices. In this way, one can see others opinions and realize that perhaps they carry as much weight as your own. Sometimes, facts may arise that may be over looked if prejudices are too strong. What is wrong though is belittling anyone or trying to shame a person to coerce another to believe that hybrids are wrong. You simply do not win arguments by calling names, swearing, or using any other denigrating remarks towards an individual.
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I think people are just getting tired of your constant posting and desperately trying to get your point across. We all get your idea, after your first post. No need for all of this. Don't think the hybrid thing is the big issue anymore, I think it's your posting. You should really agree to disagree with some people and move on to loving your hybrids but without talking about it sooooooooooo much!
Don
 
starsevol said:
I can accept that I am prejudiced against wierdly colored unnaturally created frankensnakes. Just like I am prejudiced against lab created gemstones over the real thing. Real is real.

I finally figured out what your posts remind me of.....hit me out of the blue!!
The teacher in a Charlie Brown cartoon!!
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No more lumpy open pollinated tomatoes for you Sweetie.
But hey, are hybrid snakes organic? What about non-hybrid snakes, are they organic? Are any snakes GMO's? Has a snake ever been patented? Monsanto might be missing the boat on this one.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
There is a huge difference between being prejudiced about a concept or idea and being insulting to a person or belittling a person. And, hybrids are real. Hybrids occur in nature. So, your real is real comment.... I'll just leave it at that.

One should always try to remain a little open minded when it comes to personal prejudices. In this way, one can see others opinions and realize that perhaps they carry as much weight as your own. Sometimes, facts may arise that may be over looked if prejudices are too strong. What is wrong though is belittling anyone or trying to shame a person to coerce another to believe that hybrids are wrong. You simply do not win arguments by calling names, swearing, or using any other denigrating remarks towards an individual.
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INTERGRADES occur in nature.
And to me, MY opinion on this issue trumps hybridizer's opinions on this issue.
Get used to it.

ReptileGeek181 said:
Is a bi-racial baby considered a hybrid?
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Humans are the same species.
 
starsevol said:
I can accept that I am prejudiced against wierdly colored unnaturally created frankensnakes. Just like I am prejudiced against lab created gemstones over the real thing. Real is real.

I finally figured out what your posts remind me of.....hit me out of the blue!!
The teacher in a Charlie Brown cartoon!!
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HAHAHAHA!!!!........."wah-wah-wahhh???" :laugh:
 
I understand, it is my opinion. I concede that. Can you see why a great many hybridizers would keep silent? Shaming someone into silence by belittling them or their efforts is beneath me personally. Blaming the victim of such abuse... is seriously beneath me. You don't have to agree with me, but if your going to debate with me I'd like a modicum of decency and respect to be shared between us before things get out of hand and escalate. I will try and do my best to show that same respect and decency back. Is that too much to ask?
 
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