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stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be

And besides, I have a good reason for feeling this way, as many of you already know.

I just hate the idea that what happened to me could happen to others as well.
 
starsevol said:
And besides, I have a good reason for feeling this way, as many of you already know.

I just hate the idea that what happened to me could happen to others as well.
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"could happen".....more like does happen by the many countless folds every single breeding season. It's a very sad reality.
 
mattsnake said:
I don't think hybrids occur in nature very often if at all. Maybe very rarely. And the fact that natural hybrids may come into being does not justify these massive hybrid breedings of corn x random colubrid. These hybrid breedings are very wide spread and reading these threads make it seem like it is a worldwide epidemic. I think corn hybrids have gotten totally out of control and everything is going into a terrible colubrid mush.
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You should google intergrades, cornsnakes, hybrids, etc. Hybrids do occur in nature. Your statement, " I don't think hybrids occur in nature..." Makes it clear that you have no knowledge on the subject. Yes, hybrids do occur in nature. As for your epidemic statement.... Do you not think that any line-breeding by man pushes an animal in a different manner to evolve differently than say... natural selection would do? If it didn't we would have no reason to breed animals at all. All animals would be pure wild caught animals as no selections would be made. Food for thought. You are altering an animal in an unnatural way the second you decide its partner regardless of if its the same species or not.:noevil:
 
So what about the scientists who are crossing Florida panthers with mountain lions in an effort to bring the Florida panther back from the brink of extinction? Their paths could never cross in the wild, yet people are doing it in a lab for the betterment of an almost extinct species. Are those crosses horrible abominations that shouldn't exist?
 
RobbiesCornField said:
So what about the scientists who are crossing Florida panthers with mountain lions in an effort to bring the Florida panther back from the brink of extinction? Their paths could never cross in the wild, yet people are doing it in a lab for the betterment of an almost extinct species. Are those crosses horrible abominations that shouldn't exist?
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Then evil sons begat more evil sons and so on and so forth. Scientists are always up to no good. Thats why they call them scientists.:noevil:
 
Ryan Beatty said:
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

(This thread sounds like the angry mob on South Park!)
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You got that same feeling as well. Yes, I'm inclined to agree with you. I think you get much more with less beating of horses, calling a person, stupid, etc.... But then, thats perhaps just me and a few others that think this way... the way many of the people on this thread are posting denigrating comments directed at others is appalling to my own personal sensibilities, but then thats my opinion as to what is acceptable methods of communicating and what are acceptable or not. Exactly how many people have to call someone stupid before a small handful of people stand up regardless of their personal opinion on hybridizing and stands up together saying... You know, I don't agree with your opinion, but I do agree its not polite and in fact it is shameful to denigrate another for having a different opinion.
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Nope starsevol, I for example do not think my opinion is better than other people's opinions per se because I acknowledge that I might be wrong... that is why I am open to discussion and what other people think about a subject. Maybe I am misinformed or making a mistake in reasoning... I do understand that opinions are just what they are and might change in time. That is why I like to discuss them rationally. As long as I do think my reasoning is better than other people's reasoning into another opinion, I stick with mine. If someone convinces me with reasoning and I have to chance my opinion, I feel like I learned something. It happend on this forum a few times actually :) I think not everyone sees the difference between a solidly build rational opinion and values that come from the underbelly. If I cannot explain why I have a certain opinion on a subject, I am not gonna take part in a discussion about it, others will do that though.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
You should google intergrades, cornsnakes, hybrids, etc. Hybrids do occur in nature. Your statement, " I don't think hybrids occur in nature..." Makes it clear that you have no knowledge on the subject. Yes, hybrids do occur in nature. As for your epidemic statement.... Do you not think that any line-breeding by man pushes an animal in a different manner to evolve differently than say... natural selection would do? If it didn't we would have no reason to breed animals at all. All animals would be pure wild caught animals as no selections would be made. Food for thought. You are altering an animal in an unnatural way the second you decide its partner regardless of if its the same species or not.:noevil:
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In nature and the corns' natural range there are barriers of behavior and timing of breeding that prevent species from mating together. In captivity those barriers can be altered by a hybridizer, bringing about something that likely would never happen in nature.
 
RobbiesCornField said:
So what about the scientists who are crossing Florida panthers with mountain lions in an effort to bring the Florida panther back from the brink of extinction? Their paths could never cross in the wild, yet people are doing it in a lab for the betterment of an almost extinct species. Are those crosses horrible abominations that shouldn't exist?
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It would be nice if the scientist's didn't have to go that route, but that is simply the lesser choice of the evils regarding that issue. The Florida panther gene pool stock is so extremely limited from man altering,encroaching on, and fragmenting their natural habitat that the other Mountain lion genetics is likely the only other viable option because they ARE almost extinct. This has absolutely nothing to do with snake breeders tossing random hobby snakes together just because they can. It's not even remotely similar to this issue and is basically like comparing apples to oranges.



~Doug
 
Yet, would it be worse to just let the species extinct or to bring hybrids into the wild, which perhaps interferes with natural evolution as much as the actions that caused them to extinct to begin with?
 
mattsnake said:
In nature and the corns' natural range there are barriers of behavior and timing of breeding that prevent species from mating together. In captivity those barriers can be altered by a hybridizer, bringing about something that likely would never happen in nature.
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Hybrids happen in nature with the cornsnake. That is a fact. It is not subject to opinion. Facts are always facts. Hybrids are not prevented in nature. They do happen. Yes, I am repeating myself. I am attempting to ensure that you and anyone else that thinks that hybrids do not occur in nature... realize that the fact is that hybrids do occur in nature and hybrids are not celibate.:noevil:
I like hybrids:noevil:

No offense, but many fail to realize that hybrids occur in nature and continue to breed back into the population. Many naturally occuring hybrids live long and productive lives and produce many hybrid offspring. This has even happened with the Polar bear and the grizzly bear. That old saying, Hybrids happen. Get over it. Don't fight it. Instead, embrace nature and love its unique possibilities.:dancer:
 
SnakeAround said:
Yet, would it be worse to just let the species extinct or to bring hybrids into the wild, which perhaps interferes with natural evolution as much as the actions that caused them to extinct to begin with?
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All good points, and very complicated facets and angles involved, I'm not real sure at all what would be best with that particular issue. This is why this should just be about snakes in my opinion.

Even better still, I wish this thread would die like it did many months ago until a certain individual signed up and was absolutely hell-bent on stirring the festered stink back up to the surface once again. It's exciting entertainment for him I guess, but it's pretty old, boring and senseless to me........ :uhoh:
 
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