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stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be

Vinman said:
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Bottom line it weather you like them or not Hybrids are here to stay. There is a right way and a wrong way to make hybrids. The wrong way is what screwed up the whole hobby by tainting good bloodlines. It is so hard to find pure animals these days. If anybody does not realize this then your not a true hobbyist. If you are one of the people that say I don't care if they are pure so long as they look pure you have no business in the hobby. Most of these animals you can not get from their country of origin. They have been closed down for many years with out much chances of opening back up again. People like myself want to work with a pure animal then we should have that right to do so . By tainting then lines it makes it impossible to let people like myself to have that option. That is the challenge in breeding pure stock. Once it is tainted there goes the challenge of trying breed a species..

The whole purpose of making hybrids is to create something different . Not to back breed it into a species so no one can tell if it is pure or not. That is a waste of time and ruins the hobby. If you don't care then like I said before you have no business breeding animals. The problem lies with not understanding and having the respect of a species. That was the whole purpose of the hobby to keep pure animals in the pet trade with out having to ravage natural populations and be able to obtain a species once you could no longer get them from where they occur in nature once they were protected or country's closed down the importation . To say I don't care if people back breed and ruin lines is totally selfish. I'm not saying you don't do hybrids but have some respect for the species and the people that want to work with them by taking the responsibility in working with hybrids the right way so not to taint pure stocks. This way eveybody get to enjoy the hobby.
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Not everyone will agree with your stance, Vinny. You have stated that you will cull or cut hemis off of hatchlings to stop snakes you have produced from breeding. For myself and many others that is in no way the 'right' way to do things.
If a person really wants 'pure' bloodlines you will search them out from breeders you trust, not be looking in a petshop or from a hobby breeder with a few snakes they don't know the background of. And as has been stated before so many times the concept of any snakes, even directly collected from the wild as being 'pure' is fundamentally flawed because integrades and hybridisation does occur in the wild and there's no way of knowing if a 'corn' collected from the wilds has an emoryi great great great grandparent.
 
Oh God, please no, don't bring the fact he was in the Army/Navy (??) into this, religion was bad enough!

This is a thread about SNAKES for God's sake!!
 
diamondlil said:
Not everyone will agree with your stance, Vinny. You have stated that you will cull or cut hemis off of hatchlings to stop snakes you have produced from breeding. For myself and many others that is in no way the 'right' way to do things.
If a person really wants 'pure' bloodlines you will search them out from breeders you trust, not be looking in a petshop or from a hobby breeder with a few snakes they don't know the background of. And as has been stated before so many times the concept of any snakes, even directly collected from the wild as being 'pure' is fundamentally flawed because integrades and hybridisation does occur in the wild and there's no way of knowing if a 'corn' collected from the wilds has an emoryi great great great grandparent.
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i only do that to animals that are a king or milk crossed into a corn that look pure to prevent tainting of the blood lines. It is better than killing them, also your wrong if you collect corns from the state Mississippi to the Atlantic ocean there will be no emoryi in them
 
It's relevant.
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How on earth is this relevant in a thread about snakes??????

Kudos to all who risk their lives, but I wish it would all stop so we didn't need those troops risking their lives.!!! There is nothing positive about killing people (on both sides), yes we need soldiers - unfortunately - but fighting for a living is not something I would love doing.
 
Vinman said:
i only do that to animals that are a king or milk crossed into a corn that look pure to provent tainting of the blood lines. also your wrong if you collect corns from the state mississippi to the alantic ocean there will be no emoryi in them
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But if you didn't breed 'em, the bloodlines wouldn't be tainted anyway, Vinny. My most succesful breeding pair of corns, Sundance and Sim, produce awesome reverse okeetees every year, and normals that are nothing special. Getting the normals established takes just as much time and effort as the ROs, but I get half the price for them. Never in a million years would I cull their normal hatchlings to just produce and sell the ROs. I will cull deformed and non-feeding hatchlings without hesitation but not normal, healthy, non-target non-morph hatchlings.
 
Ok my post could be misunderstood - so here it goes - I did not mean "love doing" but many, many young men seem to be super eager to join the Army. That's what I meant to say. And I don't understand this eagerness.
 
Vinman said:
i only do that to animals that are a king or milk crossed into a corn that look pure to prevent tainting of the blood lines. It is better than killing them, also your wrong if you collect corns from the state Mississippi to the Atlantic ocean there will be no emoryi in them
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Sick, you have made disparaging remarks to me in the past and it gave me pause. You sir have a sick way of handling the hybrids you create. Why create them if you are going to mame them? I may not have as much genetic experience with snakes, I may not breed anymore but I would never for any reason mame a snake the way you do.
 
So all who have military ties, can do whatever they want because they have those ties? It looks like you use it as an excuse. Like "he was in the army, so let him say whatever". Nah don't think so!!

And I know perfectly well what relevant means, but this has no relevance to this thread whatsoever. Nil, zero, nada.
 
WoW, now what have Nazi's to do with my reply or better yet this thread. I bet you don't even know what you're talking about!! And yeah, being from where I am, I am VERY touchy about the whole WWII thing.

That's just too low!!!!
 
ReptileGeek181 said:
It's weird that everyone is attacking a person who is stating his opinions and observations knowing that that same person risked his life fighting for our (Americans) freedoms abroad, One of which is freedom of speech. Ironic isn't it?
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I'm unclear. The person pictured in Carpe's avatar is his son, right?

Hey- my dad was in the Army. He was at Pearl Harbor when Japan attacked, and so was my mother. And that has any relevance here how??
 
ReptileGeek181 said:
Well this isn't nazi germany and people are entitled to their opinions, people can either agree or disagree.
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That is low.

You talk about us needing to be sensitive to the military, and you play the nazi card to someone from an area majorly affected by WWII.

There is no sense to be a smug twit about it. "The truth hurts." Give me a break and grow up.
 
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