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stupid breeders why cant you just leave things be

Beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. When you selectively breed an animal you are working with combinations of genes that are finite in number within a given pool. The smaller the pool the smaller the combinations you can come up with. The larger the pool, the more variable the combinations you can come up with. I look at someone's line bred creation and I see beauty in what they have selected for, but there is no perfect... when it comes to art which is what breeding and hybridizing really is. If an animal was perfect and seen as simply being perfect the way it was... then no one would breed or hybridize. To argue that perfection has already has been reached is to argue that breeding and hybridizing serve no point as all they can do is detract from the natural beauty that is found in nature. When you breed a locality of an animal... you are limited to a very small gene pool. When you breed hybrids of animals... you have opened up the gene pool significantly and by virtue of having a larger pool... you can do much more. With that being said, I also look at all members that can breed and can produce viable offspring as being members close enough to breed. In a family, you know who your kissing cousins are, but when you can, you try to keep it as distant from the family as you can.
 
I'll see your pictures and raise you mine. The larger skull is Homo neanderthalensis. The smaller skull is Homo sapien. Or wait.... Homo sapien neanderthalensis and the Homo sapien sapiens... depending on who you listen to and when. I'll skip the debate on this one and simply mention that scientific evidence points to their being hybrids between these two species of hominids. Two species evolved from a common ancestor and then continued to interbreed at later points in time. The same thing that happens when you breed snakes that have evolved away from each other that shared a common ancestor. Now, if you were to examine the skulls of europeans, asians, aborigines, etc... you would find that each skull points to the regional variety of human that they are from in readily identifiable ways. And, even though many of these groups of people tend to only breed with like members.... thus keeping a certain amount of homogenous traits specific to that area... there is still outcrossing along the boundaries of these geographical areas where mating occurs with humans... just like with snakes. Sure, snakes may prefer one that looks and acts similar... so don't many ethnic groups. I'll leave that bit for a second or to and let it stew.
Man makes designations or labels to apply to nature. Nature has no need for those labels. What will breed and produce fertile offspring will breed and produce fertile offspring. Those that do not pass on their genes will not go on. I will leave this point and simply say, we do not do anything as nature would have when we take a snake and breed it ourselves regardless of the method we use.

Carpe, I can appreciate the beauty of that kingsnake/thing you posted, it is pleasing enough to the eye. But if I owned it, it would never be bred. I'm going to go on a silly tangent and liken it to body art. Surely we can all agree that the female form is a beautiful creation. A little nose ring or tattoo doesn't bother me either. But at some point of ink coverage, gauges, branding, scars, and foreign objects, it no longer looks like the human form to me. I understand that some people feel differently -in both hybrids and body art. You're a guy and I'm a guy, and since I seem to have a hard time getting this thought across, allow me to explain it in pictures:

Classic wild type corn snake -pretty, and you just don't see enough nice ones these days:
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Top shelf Okeetee -impossible to improve upon to my eye, you can only get different, never "better." So what she dyes her hair!:
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Hypo avalanche stripe tessera -Sure it looks nothing like a wild type but who wouldn't want one?:
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Creamsicle -perhaps not exactly "as god intended," but still can be very nice to look at and something I wouldn't mind working with:
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Cross-genus hybrid -Certainly interesting to the eye, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to be:
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Now the biggest fault in my analogy is that body art isn't passed on to future generations. Imagine for a moment that it is, and here's what I fear happening to generations of corns from hybridizing becoming common place:
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PS, please no one take this post too seriously.
 

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IMHO, it is like cooking. If you go about mixing fruit and mustard without a second thought, it is a gross combination. But if you think about each variable, like texture, contrast and balance, you could create the next great combination, like carrotcake with creamcheese icing.

If you want to great the best of the best, you must honor the simple and tasty raw ingredients and find the best specimens of each. Take thought when combining, and understand the limit. While adding ingrediants may make it better, overcomlicating it is also bad.

So yes, I do think it is an art, but just because it is a hybrid doesn't make it pretty. A hybrid has the chance to combine the best traits of each parent as well as the worst.
 
Bingo! You got it my friend.
Anything worth doing is going to require patience, work, and even a bit of trial and error. You might think its going to taste good or look good, but sometimes if you don't try it you'll never know. With art, food, and even science, there has been many instances of some combination that would have never been tried intentionally that gave us something truly stupid genius in magnitude of importance, beauty, and even taste.

IMHO, it is like cooking. If you go about mixing fruit and mustard without a second thought, it is a gross combination. But if you think about each variable, like texture, contrast and balance, you could create the next great combination, like carrotcake with creamcheese icing.

If you want to great the best of the best, you must honor the simple and tasty raw ingredients and find the best specimens of each. Take thought when combining, and understand the limit. While adding ingrediants may make it better, overcomlicating it is also bad.

So yes, I do think it is an art, but just because it is a hybrid doesn't make it pretty. A hybrid has the chance to combine the best traits of each parent as well as the worst.
 
Had to know that some people have the inability to just let something go. Passive-aggressive much?

Hybrids are wonderful, they make great frozen treats for cobras!

I just could not let this opportunity pass to tell you how passive aggressive I think the text below your avatar is. You are repeating your opinion on this matter every time you post and you are shoving it up everyone's throath that way. I know we have agreed to disagree on this but some proverb with pot and kettle comes to my mind. Of course you are gonna say that you never said you are not passive aggressive but perhaps you did not realize how it comes across for some people.

(sorry to disturb the lovely chatter going on atm but this had been bothering me regularly)
 
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I just could not let this opportunity pass to tell you how passive aggressive I think the text below your avatar is. You are repeating your opinion on this matter every time you post and you are shoving it up everyone's throath that way. I know we have agreed to disagree on this but some proverb with pot and kettle comes to my mind. Of course you are gonna say that you never said you are not passive aggressive but perhaps you did not realize how it comes across for some people.

(sorry to disturb the lovely chatter going on atm but this had been bothering me regularly)

It's no different than most of the other users titles people have posted.

I see ones about religion, beliefs, snarky comments, proclamations of love, jokes, and just about anything under the sun.

Some of them might bother me, some many not. It's a right to free speech. (which has been covered very throughly in the thread.)

If you have an issue with it, you would probably get a result talking to that single individual via PM than calling them out in public. It seems much more respectful and more likely to reach an better result.

Censoring something that bothered you was pretty much the crux of the thread. Both sides, yet again, agreed to disagree. Hybrid lovers can love hybrids, and hybrid dislikers can dislike them. It's exactly the same as the cohab/noncohab argument. Who cares if one side or the other posts something, has an avatar, signature, whatever. We have all ready established how we do or, do not feel.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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OMG with that monstruous Machete charachter? Planet Terror is the epitaph of gore! not sure if that means I like it or not.... it is so gross it's beyond scary and becomes funny.

It's a love story! My favorite film. Notice I have snakes named Cherry and El Wray??

You may be thinking of Machete, though- which I also love. Planet Terror had a trailer for Machete in it.
 
It's no different than most of the other users titles people have posted.

I see ones about religion, beliefs, snarky comments, proclamations of love, jokes, and just about anything under the sun.

Some of them might bother me, some many not. It's a right to free speech. (which has been covered very throughly in the thread.)

If you have an issue with it, you would probably get a result talking to that single individual via PM than calling them out in public. It seems much more respectful and more likely to reach an better result.

Censoring something that bothered you was pretty much the crux of the thread. Both sides, yet again, agreed to disagree. Hybrid lovers can love hybrids, and hybrid dislikers can dislike them. It's exactly the same as the cohab/noncohab argument. Who cares if one side or the other posts something, has an avatar, signature, whatever. We have all ready established how we do or, do not feel.

Just my 2 cents.

I don't think it is very respectful to state in your avatar that co-habbing is cruelty, hence people who do some commit cruelty. Of course she has every right to state this again and again with every post whether I feel bothered because of it or not, but if she feels annoyed about/feels denigrated by someone else repeating his opinion in a civil manner in a thread which you can easily just ignore, I do wonder why she inflicts the same on other people constantly and anytime in any thread she posts in. Since she does that in public, I see no reason why I should not address that in public too.
 
It's a love story! My favorite film. Notice I have snakes named Cherry and El Wray??

You may be thinking of Machete, though- which I also love. Planet Terror had a trailer for Machete in it.

I think Planet terror and Machete were co-sold and I mixed them up... but Planet Terror is gore too, right?
 
If you don't like it, use the ignore feature. Simple and effective.

You have the right to take offense to cohab comments, just as others have the right to make them.

If it bothers you. Ignore them.
 
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