Ultra Mystery...

[ecreipeoj]

Well, my girlfriend (Misti) thought this was the best novel she has read in a very long time and she reads several books a week. She was really disappointed that CAV did not get dragged, kicking and screaming into the ring as well. This may have went right up and over 10,000 views.

I think I will go over in the Photo section and post some pretty pictures of pink snakes and relax for awhile.

 

[Vinman]

Serpwidgets Never did once call you any name you are the one who is doing the name calling . 4to 5 times a mater of fact You are the one who came and attacked me on this thred . Racist comments you made referring to me as a white supremist a nazi to let you know what a insult you spewed .I am all Maltese by blood, a semite. Malta was bombed heavily during W.W. II buy the nazi forces by luck none of my family was killed my grandfater born in malta and worked in the Brooklyn navy yard . He made the turbine engines for the U.S. war ships. I will be calling my lawyer tomorrow to see if I have a case for a lawsute on the grounds of racial discrimination and or slander since it was done on the internet you might be in for federal charges.

 

[Rich Z]

Vinnie, cut the crap. Now. Your lawyer will tell you that you can sue anyone you want. Just pay him $15 grand as a retainer and he'll get right on it. I've had my fill of people threatening lawsuits over on FaunaClassifieds, and I am not about to put up with it here.

If any subsequent posts you make here have ANYTHING at all in it about other members of this forum in a derogatory nature and is about anything OTHER than corn snakes then I will regretfully have to block you from this site. Serpwidgets, if the shoe fits, please consider this a warning shot to you as well. And certainly anyone else who feels the inclination to chime in along these lines should be considered in jeopardy as well.

This has been an interesting discussion until it got mud slinging thrown into it. So if anyone feels the need to fight with someone else, I strongly advise that you use email and NOT this forum.

 

[Vinman]

cool with me Rich. vinman

 

[CAV]

She was really disappointed that CAV did not get dragged, kicking and screaming into the ring as well. This may have went right up and over 10,000 views.

To quote the legendary Kenny Rogers, "You got to know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em."

BTW, I like those pink snake pics.

 

[Clint Boyer]

To quote the legendary Kenny Rogers, "You got to know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em."

Boy, you got that right!

 

[mike panic]

Rich, I was wondering if you could post some photos of any Golddust Motleys you hatched out. Or if anyone has them could they post some photos? I have some questions I need to answer about the ones I hatched out and some comparison photos would be great. Also Rich, if you have a photo of an adult that would help as well. I suspect the female I used may be a very light caramel motley het for Ultra because some of the babies have the ultra fading of the saddles and some of the babies do not. Of course before I bred them and I was corrosponding with Mike Shiver about their history, he first said he wasnt sure if she was an Amber Motley from his "HIGH YELLOW LINE" (thats what he was originally calling them)or a very light caramel motley het for "HIGH YELLOW AMBER". He then turned around and said she is in fact an an "AMBER MOTLEY FROM HIS HIGH YELLOW LINE" or as we now call it, an Ultra caramel motley. Thanks Rich or anyone who can help. Here is a few photos of her, what do you guys think? Thanks

 

[Clint Boyer]

Mike,
I still think they are awsome looking snakes! With that out of the way, I can't help much in the dilema of gray rat or no gray rat, I have no experience with that combination.

What answers are you looking for? Are there certain clues that will help you make a decision?

 

[ecreipeoj]

I got this emails last night during round 13 of the fight. I apologized and sent him the email from the breeder who named him as the seller. All we have now is “Barr“. It really doesn’t matter. The breeder is Susan Hardy, but she is at the IRBA Show in San Diego at this time and will not be back until Monday. The owner of the snakes was our beloved “Carol”
.
Lately, I have also seen comments like, “they should get their facts straight before….”. That sounds so simple, even to a 16 year old, but when we get a song and dance from the originator, this makes it impossible.

I find it odd that Rich can remember the origins and the breedings of new morphs he did 10 plus years earlier than the beginnings of the Ultra Hypo and my Lava Hypo turned up at about the same time as the Ultras and there were only two lineages created with them. It is not a complicated thing to remember. 1 + 1 = Corn, 1 + 2 = Hybrid, or both.

I ask simple questions about the breedings to the wild caught female in the beginning and I get. “The hypo gene is different but whether they are from a pure corn strain or grey snow strain is hard to prove.” Falcon. I apologize to anybody who thinks I didn’t get my facts straight, but it is really not me who doesn’t have their facts straight.


“Joe
I friend of mine sent me this thread off the corn snake forum .

The thread is located at http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13577&page=37&pp=10

You must have me mixed up with someone else I never bred or sold this type of snake. In 1998 we were breeding lizards.”

Doug Barr
B.A.R.R.s

“Joe
I have never owned a creamscicle frosted male, hell I don't even know
what one is. Somebody has got their wires crossed here.
Thanks”

Doug & Mikki Barr

 

[mike panic]

Clint, I guess I would just like to see how these match up to the others out there and I would also like opinions on that female. Is she a light caramel motley het for ultra or an ultra caramel motley? Because these guys seem to be pretty scarce, Im not sure if the reason some of these babies are obvious ultras and some seem to be extremely light caramel motleys. Although I have seen some of them, I have never hatched out caramel motleys and I would like to know how they compare. Just by viewing that female, do you think she is an Ultra caramel motley or a lightly colored caramel motley? Thanks

 

[ecreipeoj]

Here is a few photos of her, what do you guys think? Thanks

I think there is nothing else quite like them and they are beautiful.

I think I understand what you are looking for to compare your adults and hatchlings to. I have also wondered how some of these hatchling photos of Ultra Caramel and Ultra Motley Caramel that we have been seeing on the Photo Forum, will turn into the “Goldust” morphs as adults.

It will be wonderful now that they are in the hands of people who can get their facts straight to figure out what each phenotype is genetically. We have a lot of possible combos. I know that Shivers has lost his credibility, but he did say that he got hypos from Ultra X Hypo breedings, which is backed up by other people such as Rich.

The known genes in the mix could be any of the following: Ultra, Hypo, Caramel, Motley and Amel.. Any of the combos could potientially produce a different looking phenotype. What does an Ultra Caramel look like? What does an Ultra/Hypo Caramel look like? How about an Ultramel Caramel? We probably have them all, but which is which?

 

[mike panic]

Clint let me ask your opinion on these. The first two photos I definately think are ultra caramel motleys, the second two dont look the same and dont seem to have the fading. They are from the same clutch. Do you think the second two photos are plain caramel motleys het for Ultra? I have never seen an amber motley so is it possible that these snakes have both hypo genes in them and some are Ultra caramel motleys and the others are Amber motleys. After viewing a picture( included above) of a caramel motley het for ultra that ken Siffert produced, these dont look like caramel motleys to me at all. He used the same males I used to an unrelated caramel motley. What do you guys think? Thanks

 

[mike panic]

I didnt put Kens snake in there by mistake. It was too large of a file. I'll try to shrink it and get it in there. Can you see what I am talking about? Do these look like caramel motleys? Thanks.

 

[ecreipeoj]

We have already started a “Test” breeding of sorts on these guys. We have an Ultramel Motley het Caramel X Butter Motley breeding set up for 2005. The Ultramel Motley has proven not to be het for Hypo, so the only two morph that we can get from this combination will be Butter Motleys and Ultramel Caramel Motleys. That will be a beginning to start identifying the phenotypes. Hopefully, we will be able to tell them apart.

It seems like with the other breedings going on in others hands, that it should become clear very soon what a “Goldust” Corn is. They are rare, but there are a few Ultramel Motleys het Caramel and “Ultra Caramels” around to get some good info soon.

 

[Vinman]

the ultra are a very deep yellow more intence than the standed amber motly what I mean by standred the first hypo gene. I think my amber motly was nice colord but the ultra is way more deeper Rich have you seen the same I know you have both strains I hope this ends up being pure it is one weard gene

 

[mike panic]

here it is again. This snake was hatched from Using the same fathers as the snakes above bred to an unrelated caramel motley female. This snake is obviously a caramel motley and the others from that clutch looked the same as this snake. All caramel motleys. This compared to my clutch confuses me because the ones I am not sure about still dont look like plain caramel motleys. Thanks

 

[mike panic]

so why dont you post a photo of your amber motley then? Lets see it.

 

[ecreipeoj]

Wow! I can sure see the difference in the Caramel Motley Het Ultra and the Ultra Caramel. I copied all of you photos in my computer and I can see what you are talking about with the siblings. Some are very opaque looking where the black should be and with the others it is not so clear. Since none of them look like a standard Caramel Motley, my guess would be Ultra Caramel, Ultra/Hypo Caramel and or Hypo Caramel (Amber). The original Ultra carrier was very yellow as well, so there could be a double dose of yellow getting put into the mix instead of just one from the Caramel gene.

 

[Vinman]

I don't have a camera nor can I afford one you are allways welcome to come to my home to see him or take a photo and will give you permison to post him so you can compare the 2 lines

 

[mike panic]

LOL, Yeah Ok Vin.