Obama Youth?

[Camby]

I agree whole heartedly with this. Full blown socialism can't support itself. I don't believe our version of capitalism can support itself either though. I think 9/11 exposed serious cracks in our financial system. I believe Bush and republicans filled the the cracks with money. It was a false economy then and is a false economy now. The cracks keep getting bigger and Obama is following Bush and republican parties idea of fix it with money instead of fixing it for real. It just keeps taking more and more money to fix. The more they try and fix it with money the worse the economic reset is gonna be. In our version of capitalism politicians, republican or democrat, don't allow a reset when poor financial decisions are made. I don't think the American public can handle a true fix. It's gonna happen anyways but the public wouldn't allow an elected leader to allow this reset.

This "garden variety depression" we are in started while Bush was in office. Bush and republicans were preaching "the fundamentals of the economy are sound" while Hank Paulson and Benny B. were in emergency meetings with congress telling them Americas economic system would collapse any day. I'm sorry but you don't get much more right wing republican conservative capitalist then Hank Paulson. Call me gullible, but I believe Hank and Benny were telling the truth when they said our entire economic system was on the brink of collapse.

Republicans and Democrats get their followers all worked up and mad at the other party in public, but behind closed doors I think they are making out with each other!

I also agree with most of what you have said. Two differences though.

1. I do not think Bush is solely responsible for the current financial crisis no more than I think Obama can be the single person to repair it. The financial crisis has been brought on by Americans in General...which leads me to our second difference.

In my opinion a true fix would mean hefty percentage in the middle class would have to give up their status and become poor.

2. We may have the same thought and you just didn't complete the statement, but I agree that "middle class" Americans are the biggest contributor to the current financial situation not because they are middle class but because they tried to live outside of thier means. Of course many lending agencies were way to willing to lend when they knew the borrower couldn't repay the money and yes the government should have regulated the lending more, but that would go against my beliefs. I do not want government to step in and say "let us tell you how to run your buisness". I digress.

I think the problem is that we didn't regulate ourselves. Too many lower and middle, middle class Americans went out and financed big screen TV's, tricked out golf carts, 4-wheelers (never understood needing a 4 wheeler when you do not hunt and live in a housing development), computers, multiple cars and houses they couldn't afford (intrest only loans). Too many people want to blame government for alot of their problems but the fact is, they created them. My family lives within our means (my income). If we can't afford it on what I make then we don't have it.

So, in closing for this thread, I still distruct Obama, our senators and house leaders, I distrust many of the big corporations and I distruct nearly everyone I meant on a personal basis, BUT, I would rather trust the country being ran on less federal control and more on individual state control.

dc

 

[Drizzt80]

Republicans and Democrats get their followers all worked up and mad at the other party in public, but behind closed doors I think they are making out with each other!

DUH!! They're politicians!!

Y'all have probably seen this before in one form or another. Got it in an email:

Is It NBA Or NFL?

36 have been accused of spousal abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

19 have been accused of writing bad checks

117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault

71, repeat 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

8 have been arrested for shoplifting

21 currently are defendants in lawsuits, and

84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year


Canyou guess which organization this is?

Give up yet? . Scroll down,












Neither, it's the 435 members of the United States Congress


The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.

Whether Republican or Democrat, I do agree with the sentiment that it's time the people take our country and government back.

:shrugs:
D80

 

[ForkedTung]

Whether Republican or Democrat, I do agree with the sentiment that it's time the people take our country and government back.

:shrugs:
D80

Great quote! and cheers to your sentiment...I'd also like to add they have health care plans that the rest of us can only dream of.

 

[mike17l]

Whether Republican or Democrat, I do agree with the sentiment that it's time the people take our country and government back.

:shrugs:
D80

TERM LIMITS!! :headbang:

 

[dave partington]

Fortunately, we don't have to take an IQ test to run in an election. Or to vote.

 

[tricksterpup]

From a local newspaper

Obama's education message rings
some bells in Twin Cities

By BOB VON STERNBERG, Star Tribune

Last update: September 8, 2009 - 12:37 PM

From 1,100 miles away, President Obama
electronically beamed into Minnesota
schools this morning, telling students
returning to their classrooms to buckle
down, work hard and "get serious this year"
about their educations.

At Jefferson Elementary School in south Minneapolis, several hundred kids gathered
in the school's auditorium for an assembly
that segued into Obama;s speech.

"It was awesome," said principal Ray
Aponte. "The president and his remarks
connected with what inner-city kids are
going through.

"We have kids throughout the United States
that have barriers and things that distract
them. We all have those distractions, but
you have to rise above them and fulfill your
dreams."

At Champlin Park High School, Obama faced
a tough audience in a government class of
about 30 students who fidgeted and
chattered during his speech.

"I was hoping he would say the class of
2013 would graduate early," said ninth-
grader Shamar Fields.

It wasn't immediately clear how many
schools in the Twin Cities and across the
nation were broadcasting Obama's back-to-
school message, particularly in light of the
controversy that engulfed it in recent days.

Egged on by conservative activists, parents,
teachers, administrators and public officials
have tussled since last week over whether
Obama's speech was appropriate.

Amid complaints that the speech could
amount to indoctrination, the speech hewed
to a a narrow exhortation for students to
work hard and stay in school.

"We need every single one of you to develop
your talents, skills and intellect so you can
help solve our most difficult problems,"
Obama said. "If you don't do that -- if you
quit on school -- you're not just quitting on
yourself, you're quitting on your country."

"If you let yourself down, you let down your
country?" asked Elias Alex, 17, as he listened
to the speech at Champlin Park High. "That's
a little too harsh."

A classmate, Aida Jackson, 16, took
exception to Obama's suggestion that riches
and fame can be attained only through hard
work.

"He told everyone that chances of them
becoming famous are not realistic," she said.
"The chances might be small, but they might
really want to do something."

Speaking at a high school in Arlington, Va.,
Obama told students their parents, teachers and he are doing everything they can to
help them succeed.

"But," he added, "you've got to do your part
too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I
expect you to put your best effort into
everything you do. I expect great things
from each of you. So don't let us down -
don't let your family or your country or
yourself down. Make us all proud. I know
you can do it."

In Minnesota, Republican officials criticized
Obama's planned address, including Gov.
Tim Pawlenty, who said last week the speech
could be disruptive and was "uninvited."

The state's teachers directly squared off
against its school administrators over the
speech.

Education Minnesota leaders urged
superintendents to show the broadcast for
its educational value. But the Minnesota
Association of School Administrators
recommended against disrupting normal
opening-day activities to show the speech.

Minnesota school districts contacted by the
Star Tribune -- including Minneapolis, St.
Paul and Anoka-Hennepin, the state's
largest districts -- left the decision to broadcast the speech up to teachers and principals.

Some parents, locally and nationwide, said
they'd keep their kids out of school to keep
them from being exposed to the speech.

Staff writers Maria Baca, Emily Johns and
Heron Marquez contributed to this report.

 

[Austin M]

I also agree with most of what you have said. Two differences though.

1. I do not think Bush is solely responsible for the current financial crisis no more than I think Obama can be the single person to repair it. The financial crisis has been brought on by Americans in General...which leads me to our second difference.




2. We may have the same thought and you just didn't complete the statement, but I agree that "middle class" Americans are the biggest contributor to the current financial situation not because they are middle class but because they tried to live outside of thier means. Of course many lending agencies were way to willing to lend when they knew the borrower couldn't repay the money and yes the government should have regulated the lending more, but that would go against my beliefs. I do not want government to step in and say "let us tell you how to run your buisness". I digress.

I think the problem is that we didn't regulate ourselves. Too many lower and middle, middle class Americans went out and financed big screen TV's, tricked out golf carts, 4-wheelers (never understood needing a 4 wheeler when you do not hunt and live in a housing development), computers, multiple cars and houses they couldn't afford (intrest only loans). Too many people want to blame government for alot of their problems but the fact is, they created them. My family lives within our means (my income). If we can't afford it on what I make then we don't have it.

So, in closing for this thread, I still distruct Obama, our senators and house leaders, I distrust many of the big corporations and I distruct nearly everyone I meant on a personal basis, BUT, I would rather trust the country being ran on less federal control and more on individual state control.

dc

Your #1 Statement I agree with, but would add Investment banks and Hedge Funds created a ponzi scheme that allowed it.

Your #2 Statement I agree with this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgx6-fOqr2A&feature=related

I do believe we need regulations, oversight and clarity though. If your a conservative and you don't think Wall Street needs regulation PLEASE watch this skit!

http://www.clarity.com/2009/07/24/dylan-clarity-eliot-spitz_n_244617.tamal?page=4

So on top of Obama's deficit spending we have the Federal Reserves deficit spending. What do the people who don't like "lazy poor people on welfare" think about Wall Street Bankers getting a 13 trillion dollar welfare check?

Ron Paul said in an interview once that he thought money for welfare entitlement programs went to poor people and they were ones getting "the free lunch". He said once he got into office he realized most of the welfare entitlement money from the government went to rich people. LOL

 

[ForkedTung]

It was weird, all these little kids got off the bus today at the end of my street...they were carrying hammers and sickles and their eyes were rolled up into their heads and they were chanting "O-ba-ma-Ob-ba-ma" must've been brainwashed or something?LOL

 

[glenhead]

Getting back to the ORIGINAL SUBJECT MATTER...

I'm pretty danged conservative. I'm not an extremist, but I lean right on far more issues than left, and pretty far right on many issues. I'm not pleased with many of the things the current batch of lunatics have done in Washington.

This post is directed at those from waaaay farther right than I who were waxing hyperbolic about the Doom of the Children or some such drivel. Keeping their kids at home, etc., to keep them from being turned into Drooling Zombies or whatever.

Are you ashamed now?

Have you listened to the speech the President gave? If not, have you read a transcript of it? Both are readily available throughout the webisphere. Have YOU read or listened to it, without having it filtered through Rush or Sean? Have YOU formed your OWN opinion of it, instead of being told what your opinion of it is? I held back on my opinion of The Dreaded Zombie Inducing Indoctrination Speech until I heard it. It was a very, very good speech, exhorting kids to do their best for themselves and for their country. How is that so different from what we on the right try to tell our kids? What did you say to your kids before the speech to make triple-danged sure they went into it knowing that B. Hussein Obama was going to try to steal their souls? Will you talk to them about it again, and be willing to admit you were wrong (if you feel you were)?

Are you ashamed that you prejudged, or did I reeeeealy miss the part you were so afraid of?

 

[The_Thunderer]

LOL. I'm not, because my kids didn't hear it! Our school district decided against playing it at all.

Of course, I was one of those who said I would watch it WITH them, but not remove my kids from school.

Plus, I don't think that parents watching out for their kids' best interest... no matter what others may think... is anything to be ashamed about.

 

[mike17l]

Getting back to the ORIGINAL SUBJECT MATTER...

I'm pretty danged conservative. I'm not an extremist, but I lean right on far more issues than left, and pretty far right on many issues. I'm not pleased with many of the things the current batch of lunatics have done in Washington.

This post is directed at those from waaaay farther right than I who were waxing hyperbolic about the Doom of the Children or some such drivel. Keeping their kids at home, etc., to keep them from being turned into Drooling Zombies or whatever.

Are you ashamed now?

Have you listened to the speech the President gave? If not, have you read a transcript of it? Both are readily available throughout the webisphere. Have YOU read or listened to it, without having it filtered through Rush or Sean? Have YOU formed your OWN opinion of it, instead of being told what your opinion of it is? I held back on my opinion of The Dreaded Zombie Inducing Indoctrination Speech until I heard it. It was a very, very good speech, exhorting kids to do their best for themselves and for their country. How is that so different from what we on the right try to tell our kids? What did you say to your kids before the speech to make triple-danged sure they went into it knowing that B. Hussein Obama was going to try to steal their souls? Will you talk to them about it again, and be willing to admit you were wrong (if you feel you were)?

Are you ashamed that you prejudged, or did I reeeeealy miss the part you were so afraid of?

Ashamed? of what? that the questions the were originally published by the DOE were changed after pressure from the right? No, not at all, I am actually proud and glad that the questions have changed.

I could care less that he addressed the youth of America, what I cared about was the way that he was being promoted to the youth of America by the DOE. "How does BO inspire you?" "What can you do to help BO?" Come one, what about the country or "the office of the president", either of those would have been better than the DOE pulling BO's pud for him.

 

[tricksterpup]

Are you ashamed that you prejudged, or did I reeeeealy miss the part you were so afraid of?

I am more afraid what message these parents told their children.
That it was ok to skip school or skip a responsibility. If something happens they do not like, its ok to avoid it?
To be honest, i think it would have been better for the kids to see it and then have them talk to the parents at home about it. I would have asked my kids all sorts of questions and asked them what they thought.

 

[tsst]

Our school district thought the time was better spent doing arithmetic and reading. :shrugs:

 

[Cornsnake124]

Our school district thought the time was better spent doing arithmetic and reading. :shrugs:

good! [ten char]

 

[dave partington]

Stay in school so you can get a good job working for the man

 

[Austin M]

Ashamed? of what? that the questions the were originally published by the DOE were changed after pressure from the right? No, not at all, I am actually proud and glad that the questions have changed.

At first I thought this Hitler stuff from the right was....Obama is Hitler until proven other wise, and if he wasn't Hitler it's better to be safe than sorry. After reading the original questions and your post I see the truth now. The right has held back Obamas inner Hitler and saved the children and this country from a new Hitler, for the time being. We get to stay a great nation for a little while longer now. All the right has to do is apply some preasure and Obamas inner Hitler will never appear. Thank you right wing America.

Seriously though, maybe this should be the new attitude to all presidents now, Republican or Democrat? I know if I wasn't so hell bent on be a right wing conservative when Bush first got elected I probably would have looked into anti-republican arguments a little more instead of dismissing and labeling it as liberal? What can I say I was in my twenties!

 

[Roy Munson]

You know, I still have an old "Presidential Fitness Award" hiding out somewhere. It's signed in the Gipper's own electronic print resource signature font. What was he trying to say? Was he trying to ensure and encourage my fitness for conservative martial law? I never thought so...

 

[ZoologyGirl]

Our school district thought the time was better spent doing arithmetic and reading. :shrugs:

playing devil's advocate...perhaps, then, we should end all things that take kids away from school studies? No more guest speaker type assemblies, no school spirit rally's, heck...lets get rid of recess.

Honestly, IMO I think this got oversensationalized. I can agree with some arguments, I disagree with others.

Some people argue that they simply disagree with it because they don't want politicians in schools...despite their political affiliation. For people who truly believe this (and not simply use this argument as a smokescreen) I can see where they are coming from, and they have a valid point. Whether I agree with it or not is beyond the point.

There was also the argument floating around that they felt the speech was coming on too strong...i.e. the whole letter to Obama telling how they can help him (Obama) rather than how they can help the country, etc... I don't think this would have blown up as much had it not been worded so awfully...and then coinciding with Demi Moore's the "servent to the president" thing. Likewise, I can see where these people are coming from, they had a valid argument, it seems the speech was changed in some way to accomodate this. Again, whether I agree with this argument or not is beyond the point.

Then there is the 3rd group...those who are against it solely because he is a democrat and they do not agree with his politics. These are the Rush's of the world. Listening to him nitpick Obama can be, at the best of times, nauseating. I honestly think that had it been a conservative (Palin, Bush, what have you) planning to give this speech he [Limbaugh, et al]would have been all for it. And don't get me wrong...had this been a republican president, I'm sure there would be those hardcore lib's out there complaining just as much. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

If you recall, this is not the first president to address the student population. President Ronald Reagan gave a speech followed by a Q and A to students...and his speech can appear like right wing propaganda at times as well. And H.W.Bush also made an address to students, and he was also criticized for it being 'propaganda'. But honestly, it's at least partially to be expected...you can't expect anyone to appear totally neutral about everything. Of course a Democrat is going to come across leaning to the left...and of course a republican is going to come across leaning to the right.

So in conclusion...I think much of this was oversensationalized by republicans and conservatives who don't like democrats. Just as I think democrats would oversensationalize the situation if this were a republican president wanting to make the speech.

I'm not sure what my opinion is on the situation. I would say that I am not upset about the speech, but I wouldn't defend it as being of the utmost importance either. But perhaps a better way to have handled it was to make it a primetime special where he addresses the students, and the parents can watch it with them and comment on it and talk about their own views, or choose not to have their child watch it at all. That way parents can continue to indoctrinate their children as they see fit.

And in the respect of full disclosure...I will say that I consider myself somewhere around very liberal to centrist with liberterian tendencies, everything depending on the issue at hand. I think labels are too restricting.

 

[Michael823]

I can't say anyone is right or wrong. What I personally think has no importance here, as I do not have children, and don't know how this would go over if it was, say, Palin. I would most likely share some of the dislike, and not be too fond of forcing a viewing in public schools.
That being said... I think this is a little overblown. I like Fred's approach to viewing the speech alongside his children, and countering any aspect he agrees with by explaining his view to his children afterward.
As far as those who see this as "indoctrination", or as a similarity to "Hitler", well that's just silly. By that token, everyone who speaks advice to children shares that similarity. Our public schools are disastrous as a whole, so if every child in America stayed attentive the whole time during the speech, than I would be immensely impressed.

A lot of kids take cell phones into classrooms, market all sorts of inappropriate material on clothing, harbor drugs, alcohol, and tobacco, and get others to do the same. They have unrivaled authority over your children, which comes in the form of peer pressure. Indoctrination in our public schools is already there, and much more dangerous than any presidential speech could be. The power does, and always will, rely fully on the role parents play in their child's life. You should readily entertain the opportunity to have your child watch a presidential speech, that way you will have a basis to teach them your take on what they saw.

Again. I really have no qualms with people disliking the idea of a presidential, in school speech. I respect that parents are involved enough to care. Just don't overly harp on this particular message, and treat it as the ultimate indoctrination. Be involved in every aspect of the bad influences that go on daily in public schools, not just the polarized ones.

 

[jazzgeek]

Step aside, Hypnotoad! It's Hypnobama™!!

:grin01:


Dale