Random thought

[Kokopelli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP2op844NI0

 

[Lavender]

Susang a man can be considered "poor" and still work and provide, he is just on part of the middle class so to speak. In our day and age if we help the poor, that blanket statement could be any of less fortunate people orphan, lazy folks, mentally challenged, and so on. A man that is full capable of working with no handicaps should be working. He should not be laid up getting paid by tax payers who are busting their chops working good jobs sometimes 2 jobs trying to support their families. I guess now would be as good time as any to address some women who recieve tax held. In our country, the system is so that if a woman has another kid they get more money. So in all honesty it is like a reward system for harlots. Now I still believe these women ought to be helped but not with more taxes. They should be put on a limit of 1 iliget kid per baby mama. After that they should seek charity groups churches and so on. On the subject of a woman married to a lazy man. If the woman can endure some how, she can teach him a valuable lesson. A normal man, will not go hungry he will find a way to eat. Also men enjoy ballgames ac and tv so they will find a way to get the power back on. So my advice to a woman married to a lazy man would be to let him get a full load of his resposibility, let the power get cut, let the fridge get empty, let the truck run out of gas. He will not be stranded and he will not go long without his pleasures and necessities. When he sees that the woman is not toting him and he gets hungry that should prompt him to get off his duff.

 

[dave partington]

Random Thoughts

Writing is words that stay.

 

[Kaminoke]

Religious "tolerance"

Deuteronomy 13:12-17

12 If you hear in one of your cities, which the Lord your God is giving you to dwell there,
13 that certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known,
14 then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently. And behold, if it be true and certain that such an abomination has been done among you,
15 you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.
16 You shall gather all its spoil into the midst of its open square and burn the city and all its spoil with fire, as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. It shall be a heap forever. It shall not be built again.
17 None of the devoted things shall stick to your hand, that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his anger and show you mercy and have compassion on you and multiply you, as he swore to your fathers

...if you're going to take your bible quotes literally, you can't just pick and choose the passages that make you sound the most righteous. Why not go all the way? Got a sword?

 

[theorem]

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."
– Karl Marx

 

[Lavender]

Karl Marx also said to have true democracy, the family unit must be broken up and the Gospel of Jesus Christ must be done away with.

 

[theorem]

It should be gone. It has no place in our government, only in private homes/church.

 

[Outcast]

It should be gone. It has no place in our government, only in private homes/church.

Soon enough, all rights in this country will be taken, and even worship in churches and private homes will be taken...

Accept it, Religion has played a major role in government, since the beginning of government. To believe that we are better than all of those people who came before us, is idiotic. Everyone tries to force their belief system on others. Welcome to one of the many "human conditions".

 

[Millinex]

The amount of ignorance to the understanding of religions and how they effect the world is remarkable.

I will say, growing up, I experienced some of the things of the "darker/evil" side, whatever you want to call it or believe. The things I've seen and went though where so bad, that I knew here must be an equal good to balance it out. Pure evil can't exist without a balance of pure good.

I won't get into all my religious beliefs or how I've grown up, but anyone who thinks religion should be done away with is completely naive.

 

[theorem]

Soon enough, all rights in this country will be taken, and even worship in churches and private homes will be taken...

Accept it, Religion has played a major role in government, since the beginning of government. To believe that we are better than all of those people who came before us, is idiotic. Everyone tries to force their belief system on others. Welcome to one of the many "human conditions".

I would disagree with that. The founding fathers were not christian. I never said we are better. It should not be a part of government, everyone has their own beliefs and that should be respected above all. There are people that believe in very different things like their are multiple gods, or atheists should be given the same rights as the Christians. What happened to separation of church in state...

 

[grankin01]

This thread is like riding a psychotic horse towards a burning stable. Just saying ...

 

[theorem]

The amount of ignorance to the understanding of religions and how they effect the world is remarkable.

I will say, growing up, I experienced some of the things of the "darker/evil" side, whatever you want to call it or believe. The things I've seen and went though where so bad, that I knew here must be an equal good to balance it out. Pure evil can't exist without a balance of pure good.

I won't get into all my religious beliefs or how I've grown up, but anyone who thinks religion should be done away with is completely naive.

"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private schools, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the state forever separated."
~Ulysses S. Grant

In case you didn't notice I never said to completely take religion out. I believe it should be taken out of schools or taught in a balance with evolution theories. Also, needs to be taken out of the government.

 

[Tavia]

I don't exactly disagree with you, theorem, my own religious beliefs separate human governments and God quite distinctly. But the worrying thing to me is that law makers seem to be incapable of half measures. It will go from certain symbols, prayers etc. being required in certain public places to acts of worship, symbols, prayers, etc. being banned in all public areas. Which is an erosion of individual rights and would open the doors to banning whichever beliefs the current government disagrees with in private, eventually. It's a slippery slope.

 

[Millinex]

"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private schools, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the state forever separated."
~Ulysses S. Grant

In case you didn't notice I never said to completely take religion out. I believe it should be taken out of schools or taught in a balance with evolution theories. Also, needs to be taken out of the government.

Are you one of those people who throws a fit about "under God" in the pledge of allegiance? I don't believe in evolution, it's stupidly easy to point out so many flaws it's not even funny with the basic theory of evolution.

Why is it that kids at a public school are forced to be taught belief in evolution (which takes just as much faith to believe in as religion, given the odds), but if they mention a creator everyone cries? Simple facts- people want to control themselves, they don't want to be held responsible for their actions.

 

[Shiari]

Actually, if you think there are flaws that obvious, it means you likely don't understand how evolution works. Evolution doesn't go "BOOM! New species!" Each of us is part of a continuum leading back to the first cells. There are still great apes because things branch. There are still "less evolved" species because evolution has no "plan" aside from create something that lives long enough to reproduce. A crocoduck would actually *dis*prove evolution.

The fact that we have domestic dogs and cattle, the fact that corn snakes have morphs, are all ample evidence of evolution.

Evolution made simple:




Natural selection made simple:

 

[Millinex]

I fully understand how evolution works, I've taken plenty of classes based around evolution, and it's all a pretty big laughing fest. We have so many distinct species with a fossil record, but somehow we have no solid links between any of the species.

That alone is good enough for me.

 

[Shiari]

I fully understand how evolution works, I've taken plenty of classes based around evolution, and it's all a pretty big laughing fest. We have so many distinct species with a fossil record, but somehow we have no solid links between any of the species.

That alone is good enough for me.

So... you've never looked at the fossil line for horses? Or humans? Or whales?

The fact that you *think* there *should* be "solid links" between the species shows that you don't understand evolution as well as you claim. I am not the same as my mother. She doesn't look just like her mother. My grandmother doesn't look just like my great grandmother. I don't look at all like my great grandmother. Different hair color, facial structure, bone structure, eye color. Variation. If I kept going back far enough, I'd end up with Homo erectus. Keep going further, and you'll find Homo Habilis. It's a chain. I'm the same species as my great grandmother, but not the same species as my incredibly many-times-great grandmother the homo erectus anymore because of the sheer span of time and distance between us. Doesn't make us any less related though. Keep going far enough, and I have a maternal ancestor who was a mammalian-reptile.

Have you even looked up how ring species work?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

 

[theorem]

Are you one of those people who throws a fit about "under God" in the pledge of allegiance? I don't believe in evolution, it's stupidly easy to point out so many flaws it's not even funny with the basic theory of evolution.

Why is it that kids at a public school are forced to be taught belief in evolution (which takes just as much faith to believe in as religion, given the odds), but if they mention a creator everyone cries? Simple facts- people want to control themselves, they don't want to be held responsible for their actions.

I do not believe we should have the under god in the pledge of allegiance. I do not how ever throw a fit about it, I debate it in a logical fashion. It is not equitable to have 'under god' in the pledge when lots of people think there is more then one god or don't believe in god at all.


Do you actually understand evolution? It isn't just pop and their is some new species. It is thousands of years. It doesn't happen over night. It takes no faith to know evolution happened. It takes simple deduction of the facts in a logical/rational matter.

I think its really funny who are from Colorado Springs and I'm Boulder, such a stereotype is going on.

 

[Shiari]

Whale evolution: Look MA! I had me some legs!



And an atavism.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15373256

 

[Tavia]

Evolution is a bit of a slippery word, I think it can mean different things to different people. In lots of cases, it means the random development of all life, without regards to a intelligent creator. Some people think it was the means used to create life by a intelligent creator. Others have many other understandings of what exactly evolution is, what it means to them. Since so much of the word evolution is tied to "without creator" the word I usually use is adaptability to describe the obvious versatility of genes. They can and do change to cope with changing circumstances. However, I and a good number of other people take it as truth that "God created all the different "kinds" of animals, according to their "kinds" which is why you can breed some things together and get a new "breed" but eventually you always hit a genetic dead end where eventually the offspring is sterile. You cannot breed a snake and eventually end up with a frog. Or anything else, even things fairly close. People can look at the data and either decide that in all that time and the vastness of the universes, the random appearance of both DNA and RNA at the same time, along with all the other conditions to get life going and changing is a good bet or you can look at the odds and say for all these factors needed for everything to come together and work perfectly, is so astronomical, it would be a bigger leap of faith than to decide to believe that something intelligent put it all together. After having looked at a good number of the theories of evolution, or random chance life and how DNA, RNA and bunch of other things work, I personally have cast my bet on a creator. Again, there are a great number of scientists who have come to the same conclusion. And again, yes there are a lot who still think random chance life is the better bet. And I don't especially care what any of you have decided or will decide is the most logical to you, after investigating it a bit. But the assumption that someone has chosen one or the other without understanding anything about it or questioning it, is annoying. Granted, there are a lot of people, on both sides of the question, who do believe whatever it was they were taught or just most want to believe, without questioning. But to assume that about anyone who happens to disagree with you, is condescending.
Well that's it for my rant, really this time! No offense intended to anyone and the use of the word you is general, not picking on anyone.