Really everybody can't you all see how ridiculous you are being? In 175 posts, how much everyone hates David is mentioned in at least half of them but only about a handful of times has anyone even mentioned the person who broke into another members account and started things this time. Really the account hacker is the person who was out of line this time not David, Quetzalcoatl is the one everyone should be angry with. FOCUS PEOPLE!!
Of course the account hacker was out of line. That person is now gone for a year. Not much to discuss there.
The idea that a bunch of grown adults cannot let things go and at the very least stop bashing the kid now that he has been sent away and now that he is unable to even defend himself is absolutely ABSURD. Whatever he has done in the past (no matter how rude or buttheaded it may have been) it is in the past, but right now in the present all I see is a bunch of angry spiteful adults picking on a kid who isn't even able to stick up for himself. How can you call yourselves adults when you are behaving just as childish as the child in question? I am not in any way saying David is an angel by a lot of accounts he has been a butthead but the only person who's behavior you can control is your own and a lot of you are doing a really bad job at controlling your own behavior and as a result you are acting just as bad as David is accused of having been. (emphasis mine)
Then you're not looking very closely. I, for one, am not angry, haven't
been angry, am not expressing my opinions here out of spite, do not feel that it is childish to express the opinions I am expressing, and am completely and totally in control.
How is it ok for me to show off/brag by putting up a thread about my new animal but then it isn't ok if David does it?
It's perfectly acceptable for him to do the same. I believe Eric has clarified that what's at issue is his moving threads, closing threads, and threatening to do so when he doesn't like how conversation is going. Another issue for some of us, as we have politely expressed, is that we sometimes feel he's being dishonest/inconsistent.
In short nobody is going to mess with me because I know how to stick up for myself appropriately and so as a target I am not as much fun.
I’m not “messing with” anyone. But if, in a thread, your assertions were logically inconsistent (in my view) with your actions, I would call you out on it, too. I have with plenty of other people.
To me it appears that because David can be difficult he has become the forum punching bag. It seems to me that there is indeed bullying going on in this forum but it does not seem to me that David is the bully. And it is really REALLY pathetic that a bunch of adults don't have anything better to do with their time than bully a kid.
I agree with this entirely, I simply don’t feel that that’s what’s going on in this particular thread.
I just don't understand how on a corn snake board with a ton of people who really like reptiles, how is it inappropriate to post pics of your snakes/reptiles?
Me either.
. . . but I don't even want to know how many reports are made from his posts and threads. By him or against him. But I imgine it's pretty high. The amount of work he creates for the leaders of this forum is shameful.
But unless you've been told by a mod how much work he does or doesn't create for them, you have no basis upon which to claim that it's shameful. Also, if posts get reported that are baiting him for no good reason at all, you can't lay that on his plate. I bet most of the posts that get reported these days are those, and the work created from those would not in any way be his fault.
Dinah is right in her post that this topic is about the person who hacked Davids account. Whether or not any one thinks David to be an attention seeker or not is completely irrelevant to this thread.
Dinah is right in that this topic WAS about the person who hacked David's account. But the conversation has meandered here and there, and its main topic has largely shifted, like many long conversations are wont to do.
I’ve just been reading David’s Pied thread. Here is a link for those of you who haven’t read it.
http://cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94507
I’d like to challenge some of you to read it and just follow the progression and see who was the antagonist. Who created the problem? Who maintained the problem? I’m sure I can make a list of people who are right now saying “I don’t need to read it, I know what happened”.
I did re-read it before posting about it, and I agree that the way that thread got out of control was not David's fault. But I stand by my assessment of his lack of honesty in posting motivation. And if we were having a conversation about particular members who jump on him, I'd be saying exactly the same thing about snakemom (most recently, anyway). In fact, my comment in that thread was directed at both of them. No one
here is criticizing him for wondering if his snakes might be worth more. We are criticizing him for the above-mentioned issues.
A lot of the David proponents in this thread are accusing the David detractors here (if I may break us down in such an admittedly over-simplified way) of holding against him all kinds of things that we have not spoken about here and may or may not individually be holding against him. There are both implications and outright statements that lump those of us who are expressing our feelings in this thread in with the people who regularly seem to get a kick out of lambasting him for no reason at all. That position is completely untenable, as some of us who are speaking out in this thread have never conducted ourselves in that way.
You go read it. He would get an occasional serous answer but for the most part he would get slammed from every direction. He repeatedly tried to get the thread back on track and the high holy protectors of all that is good and right would not allow him to. He was polite to his detractors. He was patient with those whose only propose was to disrupt. If any of you had been treated in a similar fashion you would have had a slobbering fit.
Oh Wade, you know full well that I would not have had any such thing. I don't slobber.
You are a bunch of sanctimonious jerks.
I could see how you would feel that way, and I'm ok with that. I think a few people here are naive enablers, and they also probably think I'm a sanctimonious jerk. I'm ok with people thinking that, and I don't hold it against them that they are naive enablers. I have a pretty consistent way of dealing with people, and it's not always the nicest and kindest possible way, but I've thought that through on more than one occasion and I'm ok with what might sometimes be the social consequences of my position (i.e., someone might think I'm a big fat jerk) that sometimes it is more appropriate to make public my opinions about what I see as a person's character flaws than it is to keep looking the other way and biting my tongue.
I am ashamed of my association with some of you. I am disgusted. There is nothing you could say to justify your behavior. Nothing.
I'm sorry you feel that way, Wade.
